Gladys should have shut down earlier

[hannahmallory]

NSW had a lot to learn from Victorians.  I wish them the best  but why did it take Gladys a month to realise that pussyfooting around this would do her no favors.

Now it looks like Morrison is throwing her under the bus too, as he does with everyone.

[rogespeed]

Delta  central India gave advance warning , as evidenced by the Federal Government suspending repatriation flights

Seems the States ( not those "The States "  ) chose to ignore the heightened threat 

Interesting that WA had a recent close call,  first Sydney waving past infected cabin crew and then WA embracing infected shipping crew during processing into hospital 

[rogespeed]

NSW seems to be keeping contagion out of aged care , so fatalities should be relatively low  compared with the Victorian 2020 disaster

An emerging concern observed is data reporting methodology

The general public must ensure that :   covid positive cases with  unrelated violent traumas judged fatal  are not counted as a covid death 

( testing positive covid-19  and getting shredded by a crocodile is not a covid death)

Conversely :  clearly  Covid  related deaths with vaccination status be counted as a covid death

[hannahmallory]

Aged care is the federal government's responsibility.   It has nothing to do with Vic vs NSW. 

[springyzone]

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@rogespeed wrote:

NSW seems to be keeping contagion out of aged care , so fatalities should be relatively low  compared with the Victorian 2020 disaster

An emerging concern observed is data reporting methodology

The general public must ensure that :   covid positive cases with  unrelated violent traumas judged fatal  are not counted as a covid death 

( testing positive covid-19  and getting shredded by a crocodile is not a covid death)

Conversely :  clearly  Covid  related deaths with vaccination status be counted as a covid death

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As someone pointed out a while back (I forget exactly who it was), a lot of people in aged care have now had the opportunity to be vaccinated if they wished to do so.  As have almost 80% of people 70 and over. Therefore, you'd think the death rate in aged care should be down compared to last year.

Comparing aged care covid infections between Vic in 2020 and NSW in 2021 isn't really comparing apples with apples.

As well as vaccinations, the procedures in aged care have ramped up over the last 12 months. At the start of the pandemic, a lot of staff in aged care were not even wearing masks. It was spotty across facilities.

There were also staff who worked at more than one facility. Visitors without covid vaccinations were able to visit between lockdowns.

Fast forward to today and things have tightened up a lot on all fronts. It was a new situation and it took time for new regulations to be put in place.

As for covid reported deaths. It makes sense that if someone dies in eg a road accident, it would not be reported as a covid death (although I'd like to know why the person wasn't isolating, but that is a different matter).

Obviously though if they die of complications from illnesses including covid, that should be included as one of the causes of death. Death certificates can record more than one cause of death, or they definitely could in the recent past. Older people often have a few health issues. One may be the major cause of death but there can be contributing factors.

[not_for_sale2025]

While Aged Care is a Federal responsibility, there are Government-funded and non Government-funded services in all States. Most services receive support, where required, from other Government departments e.g. State Health Services. Unfortunately, most Aged Care staff are earning the minimum wage and the residential services are limited in their ability to provide adequate care for residents with serious health problems.

IMO, what happened in Victoria was disgusting, discriminatory and incompetent. Many of the elderly died of Covid 19 in their Aged Care facility. Several were not transferred to hospital where they may have been saved or at least permitted to die less traumatic and painful deaths. I certainly hope NSW has learned from Victoria's negligence, and it seems they may have. Lets hope all the other States have too.

[rogespeed]

re : Aged care is the federal government's responsibility.   It has nothing to do with Vic vs NSW. 

Those in aged care are difficult to access -  i am nominee to a person in aged care ( technically respite )  and Centrelinks SA  has demanded confirmation of identity  or else they intend to stop his aged pension

He has no primary documents  ( 2nd of 3 groups of options ) and time is running out to somehow release him for an afternoon to arrange a proof of age card at VicRoads 

So what can i do ? There does not seem to be an alternate procedure to confirm identity 

Appeal to the Minister ? 

[not_for_sale2025]

Hi Rogespeed,

I am assuming you live in SA? In Queensland we have the Office of The Public Guardian, which is an independent statutory office who advocate for the human rights of people with impaired capacity, including the aged. They are a pretty tough group who go hard under legislation. I have previously worked closely with them in a professional capacity and they are very powerful, especially when issues are taken to the Tribunal level.

I assume you have the equivalent Office in SA, but I don't know what they are called. I would recommend you search for their details and consider a discussion, or even better, an appointment with them to seek advice and support. In QLD they are part of the justice system and are directly accountable to Parliament. So their involvement in issues can have a significant impact on outcomes.

[rogespeed]

Explains why Victorians fleeing the nanny state can find sanctuary in Qld

[chameleon54]

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@not_for_sale2025 wrote:

Hi Rogespeed,

I am assuming you live in SA? In Queensland we have the Office of The Public Guardian, which is an independent statutory office who advocate for the human rights of people with impaired capacity, including the aged. They are a pretty tough group who go hard under legislation. I have previously worked closely with them in a professional capacity and they are very powerful, especially when issues are taken to the Tribunal level.

I assume you have the equivalent Office in SA, but I don't know what they are called. I would recommend you search for their details and consider a discussion, or even better, an appointment with them to seek advice and support. In QLD they are part of the justice system and are directly accountable to Parliament. So their involvement in issues can have a significant impact on outcomes.

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That would probably be the Public Trustee. They generally seem to have a good reputation once they have taken a person on as a client, but waiting times, even for an initial appointment can be many months.

[chameleon54]

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@not_for_sale2025 wrote:

While Aged Care is a Federal responsibility, there are Government-funded and non Government-funded services in all States. Most services receive support, where required, from other Government departments e.g. State Health Services. Unfortunately, most Aged Care staff are earning the minimum wage and the residential services are limited in their ability to provide adequate care for residents with serious health problems.

IMO, what happened in Victoria was disgusting, discriminatory and incompetent. Many of the elderly died of Covid 19 in their Aged Care facility. Several were not transferred to hospital where they may have been saved or at least permitted to die less traumatic and painful deaths. I certainly hope NSW has learned from Victoria's negligence, and it seems they may have. Lets hope all the other States have too.

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What is probably just as important is that the Victorian Government seems to have learned from " Victoria's negligence " . They have obviously taken on board and copied the successful  " Hit em hard and hit em fast " approach that has proved so successful for the South Australian government. Dan might be a very slow learner, but at least it seems after many months of lockdowns and overseeing the highest COVID death rates of any state,  he's finally starting to get the message. ...........Hallelujah !!!