God is the Universal Source of All That Has Been All That Is All That Will

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[cat_mioux]

I usually do skim the religious threads but when The Shroud Of Turin thread turned into a Biblical Scripture One Up-manship thread it annoyed me because that's what tends to happen to anything remotely connected with God or Jesus.

And it seems to me, those that quote scripture do it to score points i.e I'm cleverer than you, smarter than you, know my bible better than you ..

it's just so far removed from the real message of God and Jesus ... from a Buddhists point of view.

[*crikey*mate*]

It's pretty hard to have a discussion about the resurrection of Jesus and the cloth/shroud that he was wrapped in at the time of death without relying on Bible scripture, isn't it? 

I mean, I wasn't there, so I can really only rely on reading the accounts of those who were.... Sort of like the journalists of the ancient media really....

[azureline**]

It's pretty hard to have a discussion about the resurrection of Jesus and the cloth/shroud that he was wrapped in at the time of death without relying on Bible scripture, isn't it? 

I mean, I wasn't there, so I can really only rely on reading the accounts of those who were.... Sort of like the journalists of the ancient media really....

yes... the 2 are entwined obviously.....trouble is, the scriptures are not so easy to understand.

[godsandmen]

And it seems to me, those that quote scripture do it to score points i.e I'm cleverer than you, smarter than you, know my bible better than you ..

it's just so far removed from the real message of God and Jesus ... from a Buddhists point of view.

Does Buddhism condone judging the motives of other people's hearts?

[lakeland27]

I usually do skim the religious threads but when The Shroud Of Turin thread turned into a Biblical Scripture One Up-manship thread it annoyed me because that's what tends to happen to anything remotely connected with God or Jesus.

And it seems to me, those that quote scripture do it to score points i.e I'm cleverer than you, smarter than you, know my bible better than you ..

it's just so far removed from the real message of God and Jesus ... from a Buddhists point of view.

The American Bible Challenge, hosted by comedian Jeff Foxworthy on Game Show Network.  is a bit of a ratings smash in the states ATM, its the highest rating show GSN has ever produced.

its good to give those who never had a chance to learn anything else a game they can actually compete in.:-)

[*crikey*mate*]

I usually do skim the religious threads but when The Shroud Of Turin thread turned into a Biblical Scripture One Up-manship thread it annoyed me because that's what tends to happen to anything remotely connected with God or Jesus.

And it seems to me, those that quote scripture do it to score points i.e I'm cleverer than you, smarter than you, know my bible better than you ..

it's just so far removed from the real message of God and Jesus ... from a Buddhists point of view.

We were discussing the authenticity of The Shroud of Turin. Bob was challenging the understanding of what resurrection was. Without establishing that understanding, then what's the point of discussing the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin (which is what the thread is about). If Jesus wasn't resurrected, then that blows the whole Shroud of Turin and it's authenticity debate out of the water, eh?

Don't know for certain, but I'm pretty sure The Apostle's creed isn't Bible Scripture per se - and really there was very little other Bible quotes there. The Apostle's Creed is a statement of what Catholics believe. You say you're interested in other people's views and beliefs? Well that Creed just about sums it up for the Catholics.

And I'd say that in entering the discussion to clarify exactly what a Catholic does believe, then the Catholics were making it pretty clear how Bob's "challenges" were making them feel.

The Facts are - that to a Christian and certainly to a Catholic, that the Bible is the Word of God - so when discussing the authenticity of one of the biggest "symbols"? or most talked about Icons of that religion, then how can one NOT refer to what the people of the day reported to have seen and without referring to "The Word of God"?

All you've done by starting all these religious threads loaded with sarcasm is mock those who do practice Christianity, whilst managing to show a lack of tolerance and respect for other posters and their beliefs and or opinions.

[azureline**]

There is quite a lot of history behind the Apostle's Creed and not restricted to the Catholic Church.....

from wiki....easier for me to post this than give my own explanation, sorry.

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The Apostles' Creed (Latin: Symbolum Apostolorum or Symbolum Apostolicum), sometimes titled Symbol of the Apostles, is an early statement of Christian belief, a creed or "symbol".[1] It is widely used by a number of Christian denominations for both liturgical and catechetical purposes, most visibly by liturgical Churches of Western tradition, including the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church, Lutheranism, Anglicanism, and Western Orthodoxy. It is also used by Presbyterians, Methodists, and Congregationalists.

The Apostles' Creed was based on Christian theological understanding of the Canonical gospels, the letters of the New Testament and to a lesser extent the Old Testament. Its basis appears to be the old Roman Creed. Because of the early origin of its original form, it does not address some Christological issues defined in the Nicene and other Christian Creeds. It thus says nothing explicitly about the divinity of either Jesus or of the Holy Spirit. This makes it acceptable to many Arians and Unitarians. Nor does it address many other theological questions that became objects of dispute centuries later.

The name of the Creed may come from the probably 5th-century tradition that, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit after Pentecost, each of the Twelve Apostles dictated part of it.[2] It is traditionally divided into twelve articles. However, Ambrose refers to the "Apostles' Creed" in 390.

[*crikey*mate*]

yes... the 2 are entwined obviously.....trouble is, the scriptures are not so easy to understand.

No, there not, are they? As a child, though indoctrinated a Catholic, we never read the "whole Bible" just studied certain passages depending on the context at the time. It wasn't until the last few years that I made a point of reading the whole Bible and sourced other materials to try and understand what was happening, that all the pieces started to meld together, and some start to make a bit of sense rather than the tunnel visioned view out of context.

What really intrigues me, are the accounts or "books" that weren't included, particularly in the New Testament and the reasons behind their exclusion. Once again, journalism and editing at work - think about who correlated the Bible, from what sources, the events happening in the world at the time, the socio economic and sociocultural conditions of that period, think about the motives for the correlation of the Bible. Remember that whilst the Bible does contain many factual documents, its contents were heavily edited and also relied on here say and a game of Chinese Whispers (i.e. stories passed down by word of mouth until 4th Century (from memory) when they were first written down, and then the evolution of the Bible as we know it today as it has transformed through many, many translations.

[cat_mioux]

And it seems to me, those that quote scripture do it to score points i.e I'm cleverer than you, smarter than you, know my bible better than you ..

it's just so far removed from the real message of God and Jesus ... from a Buddhists point of view.

Does Buddhism condone judging the motives of other people's hearts?

Bible One-Upmanship doesn't come from the heart. It comes from the ego.

[*crikey*mate*]

No, there not, are they?

*they're

*I hope Misty, Buzz or A3 didn't see that*........

LOL

and note my deference to blue type today - it's not as alluring as red, but there ya go....