on 13-02-2014 10:58 AM
Why is no one supporting our farmer
Why is Tony ignoring the issue
Lifeline has confirmed a shocking report of a grazier who committed suicide after he ran out of feed for his 400 head of cattle.
He tried to have them moved elsewhere but was told they were too weak to travel so he shot the animals before shooting himself.
on 13-02-2014 01:24 PM
@*mrgrizz* wrote:
@the_hawk* wrote:
@*mrgrizz* wrote:why the need to make everything about politics?
the report said no rain since march 2012, wasn't that Julia's watch?
And now its getting desperate on Tony's watch
And if its not up to the government of the day to take care of those that cant look after themselves who's job is it?
maybe the farmers should look out for themselves.........they do us no favours.
in WA we are going to see abboitors close or reduce production this year. why because they have sold lamb live overseas.
never mind the fact that in previous years they have been paid above the market price as a show of support.
this year they had a record grain harvest......do you think they will save some of that money for future years?
withoiut knowing if any profits gained here were needed to offset previous poor years, I agree with this sentiment whole heartedly. Any business has to prepare for the future, and farming should be no different.
Drought and other hardship of the land are no secret, so it needs to be planned for as part of the buiness. If this can't be accommodated, then other avenues need to be sourced to generate income.
Many farmers have done this and diversified and are doing ok. But like in any business, those with ineffective business models don't do as well and fail.
As for the live export, I won't say too much there, only that it was a farming initiative to reduce their costs and increase their profit - it makes good business sense for the farmer. Faster turnover of stock for a higher yield, It is not their obligation to incur more cost, ignore a source of income in order to provide jobs and income for others, they do need to look after themselves too and do what is best for them to ensure the prosperity of their business. They're the kinds of things you get to do when assuming the risk of owning the business, you get to make the decisions on how best to make it viable.
and the "show of support" from previous years, I'm sorry, but I daresay that was not just about the farmers, but also to keep other subsidiary fields afloat for a little longer as well.
on 13-02-2014 01:30 PM
@roserobin12 wrote:What Lind says should be implemented, we keep hearing stories of drought and no feed.
The chap should have sold off part of his herd before it got that bad.
This bit from the story seems silly to me,
With no pasture left on the ground at Werrina Station, south of Charleville, Brock and Katrina Hindmarch began bulldozing mulga scrub last year to feed their cattle.
Mr Hindmarch says they eventually cleared the entire property of the trees and were forced to purchase another block of land with vast mulga reserves.
Why spend money on buying more property, would have been better spent of buying feed, once the mulga is gone then what?
We can't keep expecting the govt of the day to rescue everyone and everything.
It's the give a man a fish and he eats for a day, and teach a man how to fish and he eats forever philosophy.
Paddocks need a rest and livestock rotated, so when they deplete the feed in one, it then needs a rest to rejuvenate, so you move the livestock to another pasture.
I daresay that was the motivation here, an attempt to increase his long term feed lot. If he had have spent that money on food, it would be gone and no money to buy more - more pasture, generates and sustains income.
Also, the other thing that then becomes seemingly obvious is to cull the number of livestock you run on your property, but this too causes income problems as to be viable, a property needs a certain amount of livestock - less, and they go broke anyway.
To a farmer, whilst I am sure they l;ove animals dearly, their livestock is no different to an apple. It is a means for income, just an object, a saleable commodity - no emotions attached to them.
on 13-02-2014 01:32 PM
@icyfroth wrote:
@the_hawk* wrote:Why is no one supporting our farmer
Why is Tony ignoring the issue
Lifeline has confirmed a shocking report of a grazier who committed suicide after he ran out of feed for his 400 head of cattle.
He tried to have them moved elsewhere but was told they were too weak to travel so he shot the animals before shooting himself.
What would you have Mr Abbott do, Hawk?
I don't think even he could make it rain.
I don't know the area this occured in. Can the government perhaps build dams? Divert rivers for irrigation. Truck in water?
What do you suggest, instead of heaping blame?
Maybe that's why the previous govt kept changing leaders - some kind of tribal rain dance and fancy footwork - I knew there was a reason.
Maybe Mr Abbott should learn to Tango, eh?
on 13-02-2014 01:39 PM
@freakiness wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@the_hawk* wrote:Why is no one supporting our farmer
Why is Tony ignoring the issue
Lifeline has confirmed a shocking report of a grazier who committed suicide after he ran out of feed for his 400 head of cattle.
He tried to have them moved elsewhere but was told they were too weak to travel so he shot the animals before shooting himself.
What would you have Mr Abbott do, Hawk?
I don't think even he could make it rain.
I don't know the area this occured in. Can the government perhaps build dams? Divert rivers for irrigation. Truck in water?
What do you suggest, instead of heaping blame?
That's a question, not heaping blame.
He could assist by contributing to the delivery of feed, perhaps. Or perhaps by offering transport of stock to areas not affected.
And no, diverting rivers doesn't help and dams evaporate plus need rain to fill them.
Replacing some vegetation might help prevent such bad droughts in the future.
Why haven't these business owners prepared?
Fire and drought is no stranger to Australian Farmers, it's not like this is a one off rare incident that caught them by surprise.
Why is any government responsible for poor business management?
If the land and environment is not cinducive to farming, then why pursue it?
I'm pretty sure they grow cherries in Tasmania cos their environment is conducive to it - should the govt support my farm if I chose to grow cherries in Qld?
Not long ago, prosperous farming land in qld came up for sale when the CEO of Oaks Group had four of his unrelated companies go into receivership.
He was able to stem the bleeding and minimize loss to two companies (his father stepped in) but he lost two huge farms. He was unable to get an Australian buyer. The oproperties were sold to overseas investors.
He has since been able to buy those properties back - but the point is, there were two very large prosperous properties for sale, but no Australia people prepared to farm them, would buy them.
on 13-02-2014 01:48 PM
There's a lot of what ifs there Crikey that we have no way of knowing the circumstances of each individual.
Hawk's right really, the farmers should be of great concern to the government and they should be helping with funds and grants.
If they're not, the populations should be voicing their displeasure about it in public places and in large numbers.
on 13-02-2014 02:10 PM
From the article linked in your OP Hawk:
"Federal Agriculture Minister Barnaby Joyce has been touring drought-affected regions so he can take a proposed assistance package to Cabinet.
Securing the funds could prove to be difficult given the Federal Treasurer Joe Hockey has declared "the age of entitlement is over".
However, National Farmers' Federation (NFF) president Brent Finlay argues this is a special case.
"I think the Government and the people of Australia understand when a lot of Australians are in trouble, they just need a hand to get through it," he said."
Prime Minister Tony Abbott has signalled he could bring forward a drought relief scheme, which is due to take effect from July 1.
So it's not exactly being "ignored" by Mr Abbott.
on 13-02-2014 02:10 PM
@the_hawk* wrote:it could come from the forien aid budget, surly we owe it to our own first before donating to others, would you let your children go hungry so you can look good by donating to charity?
It could come from money that support new football ovals, is footfall realy that important, they are rather chewy to eat.
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Would you have children go hungry and not offer aid abroad? As for football I don't follow it and have no idea if there are any new ovals.
Farmers commit suicide all the time, we just don't hear about it. It's a dreadful life for some, but unfortunately some try to hang on to what is just not viable anymore. Very sad.
Farmers today are shooting injured stock, stock burnt by our fires. Again very sad.
on 13-02-2014 02:46 PM
Icy posted a link else where for people to make donations
I will be brave and post that link here and hope the mods have some compasion and not remove this post or edit it.
and they take Paypal
and here is me putting my $$ to back up my mouth
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on 13-02-2014 02:50 PM
I had this drafted but didn't post 4 hours ago. I was a little afraid that I would be deemed a "hard b...female"
I'm sorry to see the plight of the farmers. However, what can any of us do, if there is no water?
In the article, it is mentioned that a whole town may close down because of the lack of water.
There was no forethought by the local authorities or some farmers for alternate sources of water, i.e. bores.
The farmer delayed in moving his stock sooner (this may have been due to mental issues in decision making). Was he waiting for assistance in fuel rebates, etc. Assist yourself!
Farming is a business. To have 400 head of cattle is quite a large property.
I'm sorry, but I agree with Tony on this one, the "age of entitlement" is close to being over.
DEB
on 13-02-2014 02:55 PM
@lloydslights wrote:I had this drafted but didn't post 4 hours ago. I was a little afraid that I would be deemed a "hard b...female"
I'm sorry to see the plight of the farmers. However, what can any of us do, if there is no water?
In the article, it is mentioned that a whole town may close down because of the lack of water.
There was no forethought by the local authorities or some farmers for alternate sources of water, i.e. bores.
The farmer delayed in moving his stock sooner (this may have been due to mental issues in decision making). Was he waiting for assistance in fuel rebates, etc. Assist yourself!
Farming is a business. To have 400 head of cattle is quite a large property.
I'm sorry, but I agree with Tony on this one, the "age of entitlement" is close to being over.
DEB
its not about entitlement, its about caring for those that are less fortunate