Gun Control "documentary discussion"

[softail-joanie]

DISARMED: A History of Gun Control Documentary Film- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1Vu6fWro68

GUN CONTROL WORLDWIDE- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJxhc60cdHw (WARNING) Graphic Images

Gun Control in Australia- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGaDAThOHhA

British Want Their Guns Back- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKdBxpKqUvs

Gun Control - Mr. Feshamon (Official Music Video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJXwGWAGXmI

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[poddster]

Either /or if you are a serious target shooter.

Hand gun is a bit more difficult than rifle, but on the whole the time and fincial outlay remain the same.

[jimmy*part4]

Is that pistol ?

Nah, he was just happy to see you.

[iapetus_rocks]

The argument that public gun ownership can protect people from a tyrannical govt is  false.

The govt will always win because they have better and bigger guns, and let's face it, they have a whole Army, Navy and Air Force at their disposal, not to mention an armed police force.

Govt. 1 : People. 0

Guns are liable to be stolen and used against the general public.

Kids steal them and shoot their teachers or their classmates or their parents or their brothers or sisters. People break into your house and steal them and shoot You.

Guns cannot protect you against things like a home invasion if you are obeying the law and keeping a licensed firearm unloaded in a locked gunsafe. (time/availability factor)

They are more of a liability to the gun owner than they are worth. people living in the country on farms might need them, but truth be told, a knife would also suit the need that is so often specified (dispatching sick or injured livestock in an humane fashion.)

There can really be very few actual Needs of the average citizen which would or could justify them owning a gun.

And then we are left with the naked Desire to own a gun. What kind of people who have no need to own a gun Desire to own one?

And  this need-less Desire to own a gun is, I believe, a Red Flag which flags those people as being of really unsuitable character to own one in the first place.

[poddster]

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

The argument that public gun ownership can protect people from a tyrannical govt is  false.

The govt will always win because they have better and bigger guns, and let's face it, they have a whole Army, Navy and Air Force at their disposal, not to mention an armed police force.

Govt. 1 : People. 0

Guns are liable to be stolen and used against the general public.

Kids steal them and shoot their teachers or their classmates or their parents or their brothers or sisters. People break into your house and steal them and shoot You.

Guns cannot protect you against things like a home invasion if you are obeying the law and keeping a licensed firearm unloaded in a locked gunsafe. (time/availability factor)

They are more of a liability to the gun owner than they are worth. people living in the country on farms might need them, but truth be told, a knife would also suit the need that is so often specified (dispatching sick or injured livestock in an humane fashion.)

There can really be very few actual Needs of the average citizen which would or could justify them owning a gun.

And then we are left with the naked Desire to own a gun. What kind of people who have no need to own a gun Desire to own one?

And  this need-less Desire to own a gun is, I believe, a Red Flag which flags those people as being of really unsuitable character to own one in the first place.

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The best way to treat a tyrannical government is to vote them out, simple as that. I have no idea where you got the notion that gun ownership is fo protection against governments. It could be a Leftie thing.

If a firearm is in a secure location, as it should be, and is required by law, there is not much Chance of them being stolen or misused by an unauthorised person, especially kids.

Once again, firearms are not for protection against home invasion. unless of course you happen to have come home from the range and you are  about to clean your firearm before locking it away in its safe.

Firearm ownership in not a liability and once again I have no idea where you clutched that notion from, that notion is unfounded, obviously you have never owned a firearm.

A knife to humanely put down an injured animal?  What a ridiculously suggestion. Imagine an injured enraged bull or perhaps a large dog or even just a cat, and you get out your whatever knife and end its misery. Good luck with that.

Average citizen? There is no such thing as an average citizen. Would yo call an owner of a tractor, bulldozer, racing car, aircraft, yacht, speedboat, golf club or any other device average?

By the way all the above can be lethal as well, how about a motor vehicle? 

My chosen recreational sport justifies my ownership of a firearm.

Oh yes I desire the requirement that allows me to take part in my chosen recreational activity, and by the way I have a genuine need for a fire arm to pursue my chosen sport, umm like a cricketer needs a bat (that to can be lethal) or a golfer needs golf clubs (can be lethal), spear fisherman, and a plethora of other activities that use potentially lethal tools or accessories.

Red flag you say, yes the colour is appropriate. There are many more people who do untold damage with a keyboard.

Remember this guns don't kill or people , people do.

[poddster]

I forgot to add target shooting is an Olympic sport 🙂

[poddster]

Furthermore there are more deaths and injuries attributed to football than there have been attributed to target shooting, in my club there has have no accidents ever since it has been in existence that is over 60 years.

I have to wonder how many golf clubs can boast of a matching record?

[iapetus_rocks]

(I was replying to joanie)

I have always argued that if one doesn't want a tyrannical govt, one should use one's vote more considerately. (I was referring the the USA's 2nd amendement)

Advocates for the personal right to own guns often argue that they need them for protection.

Firearm ownership is a proven historically verifiable risk-factor. it increases one's risk of being shot.

Nobody in a truly civilised society Needs to own a gun for self-protection.

Like I said, the desire of someone to own a gun for the pursuit of "recreation" calls into question the character of that person. Guns are designed to kill.

it's not much of a physical sport or a physical demand to pull a trigger. it's not much of an intellectual excercise to aim at a target. I have fired guns at targets. i found it boring in the extreme. and bored people want to not be bored so what do they do? they invent exciting ways to use their otherwise boring guns by firing at live, moving targets.

For sport. for pleasure. it's a poor sort of character who cannot devise more emotionally and spiritually or artistically  (not to mention, physically) satisfying ways of obtaining pleasure.

And those sorts of characters who derive "pleasure" from a boring activity (which has the potential to endanger the lives and safety of others if they become bored enough or drunk enough on the perceived power it endows them with) are people who I would rather not choose to live close to, like next-door or in the same street.

I did say that some people might be able to demonstrate a real need to own a gun.

But for those who just desire to own and to shoot a gun, then there is a case for having their psychological make up examined rather closely.

Yes, guns do kill people. especially if in the hands of people who are so mentally unbalanced that they feel an overwhelming urge to shoot their guns (thus realising the Power that they feel they otherwise lack in their daily lives)

if you want target practice, then play with darts.

There's a whole literature on the psychological significance of guns in the minds of those who otherwise feel frustrated and disempowered in society.

[softail-joanie]

Diffrence of opinion is good, and good that we can all voice our own here. Whatever your opinion, or reasoning behind why one should carry or own guns if your is the opinion that one should be able to, or shouldn't be able to, is welcome in this topic. I believe the fauct that we are discussing this is good, it's how we learn.

Valid points made aganst my points, yes, a gun can be a liability to the owner or holder, that should never be forgotten, gun ownership is a far cry from overthrowing a tyranical government, but you have to admit it makes the tyrant's job harder, why do you think they always try to disarm the people before getting too tyranical?

There also is the other reason of the bad guy, or gal, with a gun. they are for gun control because what do they care with obaying laws? if their victims have been disarmed, makes their job mucher easyer and safer. All laws aganst guns do is take them from good people, true criminals being left unrestrained, unstoppable.

But even a better reason against gun control, freedom. it takes freedom away from one who might want to have that simple tool, or might want to protect themselves or their family. Even if all the bad things said about guns is true, (it's not) but if it were, it wouldn't justify that infringment on freedom alone. The founding fathers of America valued freedom far more than saftey.

Not that gun control makes us more safe, quite oppisite is true, these gun laws only serve to take guns away from good people who make an effort to follow laws. Personally, i don't have much confidence in the band or criminals known as the police, AKA, responders, to take guns away from those that would use them for terible things.

Police are smart, government is smart, they know all this i'm saying. their reasons for gun control, is they want to tear down scicioity, the community, humanity. We are comming to the realization as humanity, that we might no longer need police, or some, most or all of government. they see their end nearing. if they can make work for themselves, we might actually see a need for them, even trade our freedoms for their protection.

I have been abused by these corrupt sadistic people, i can tell you it's no fun. i been in their jails, been their victim, and been sold to the public by these attackers as the aggressor actually having victims.. I am NV, I practice non violence like a religion, i go outta my way not to harm anyone, these cops will tell you i have victims, am dangerious, and need to be dealt with. they will tell you i'm up to no good, and should be banned from public places. they are smart, good salesmen, and if those traits don't work, they can intimidate.

Are we gonna allow for guns only in the hands of people like that ?

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[iapetus_rocks]

Best thing is to become politically aware and refuse to vote for despots and tyrants and oppressors of the public welfare.

Best thing is to engineer a society where there are no such desperately poor people that they would need to rob and steal from those who have more.

Best thing would be to engineer and to build a society in which the people would have no need to own guns to protect themselves against anyone.

A utopian world-view? maybe, but let's not stop trying to aim to make it come true.

[softail-joanie]

Best thing is to become politically aware and refuse to vote for despots and tyrants and oppressors of the public welfare. Best thing is to engineer a society where there are no such desperately poor people that they would need to rob and steal from those who have more. Best thing would be to engineer and to build a society in which the people would have no need to own guns to protect themselves against anyone. A utopian world-view? maybe, but let's not stop trying to aim to make it come true

The best system for checks and balances, can be undermined when the ability to enforce it is taken away from the people and handed over to group of police, military, or otherwise. the 2ed amendment, is vital to the 1st, the 4th, and all other freedoms.

Let he who is without a sword SELL HIS GARMENT AND BUY ONE ...

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