Haunted houses

[bluecat*dancing]

After watching "The Conjuring" last night, I've been undecided as to whether houses, or other buildings, are actually haunted. What does everyone think? Are hauntings real or not?

[lakeland27]

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@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:

Your opinion doesn't seem to gel with my experience MM......

When an adult and a couple of children all see, hear and experience the same thing, at the same time.

Are young children questioning there own mortality over breakfast?......

A couple of weeks after our experience, I was inspecting the picture, trying to work out how it could be lifted and fly around on a curve,

when my son asked if the picture flew off the wall again.....

.....I would love to hear a scientific explanation for what happened......any ideas?

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 acid in the weeties

[para-sights]

I cant really say I a big beliver in ghosts and less of haunted houses. Ive often wondered whu all ghosts seem to be from some distant century and elegantly dressed, why no one has seen a ghost from the 70's decke dout in flares and platform shoes (since most ghosts appear to be in the same clothes they died in - even cloth has an apparent after life). Also I wonder what happens when the house becomes a car park or Starbucks. Why you never hear "Attention shopppers we have a paranormal activity in the deli section so head on over for ghostly savings and thank you for haunting at Coles". Ok a bit over the top tounge in cheek but I still think the mind plays tricks and tries to rationalise it and when it cant seems to allow "imaginative freedom"

[**meep**]

Monman: MP,  your 3 points have nothing to do with scientific testing, only what a person must  present as grounds to be accepted  for scientific investigation/testing

My points were to demonstrate to you that it is not as simple as you believe to be eligible to claim the prize.  It was in response to your comment:

If you could prove any para-normal event you could claim a few $million or so from that on offer. The money is perfectly safe.

I agree with you that the money is perfectly safe.

http://www.dailygrail.com/features/the-myth-of-james-randis-million-dollar-challenge

[**meep**]

Monman: "Actually it is only  what you believe you know MP, and without scientific verification remains  just that, a belief, which is hardly compelling."

If we are to believe only that which can be explained with current scientific  methods, we are  just as deluded as those who believed in a geocentric universe.

[polocross58]

Ghost appearances don't announce themselves in advance.  In the vast majority of cases, the events are spontaneous and unsolicited.  Further, it's my strong suspicion that ghosts impose themselves on the mind-screen of the witness.  Therefore, it's hardly likely they could be photographed.  In many instances, one or more persons may see the ghost whilst others present at the time do not.  So it comes down to sensitivity peculiar to some but not to others

When someone has seen a ghost, their first impulse is not to call the publicity-seeking Randi !   The witness most often suffers a degree of shock as their perception travels between the material and non-material worlds.  Further, it's believed ghosts use the witnesses' energy in order to make themselves seen.  So the witness is suffering shock from that, also

For most, the fact they've seen a ghost surprises them.  They know what they've experienced and they don't care what others opinions might be. Once seen, not possible to unsee.  Some have multiple ghost experiences whilst others have only one in an entire lifetime.  Regardless, those people remain firm about what they've experienced until very old age

Proof of ghost sightings has been available for decades -- since WW2 at least.  After WW2, the Anglican church felt compelled to conduct an investigation after thousands of people claimed to have seen or been visited by the ghost of their loved-one.  The church rigged the investigation insofar as they chose as judges twelve individuals who did not believe in ghosts.  At the conclusion of the investigation, ten of the judges stated yes, they did believe the thousands of witnesses had seen the 'ghost' of their loved-one.  Two judges said they would 'sit on the fence' for the sake of balance, although they too had been convinced of survival of bodily death by witnesses' accounts.  The investigation's results were kept on ice for almost 30 years, rather than confirm witnesses' claims and also to allow witnesses to die.  The results were released a couple of decades ago without fanfare or publicity.  And where the hell was Randi then ?

In an episode of Aircraft Investigation which I watched on Youtube the other night, the parents of a young New Zealand man were interviewed at length.  The father is an accomplished engineer and the mother certainly didn't look like a fool.  Their son had been sucked out of an airline travelling between Honolulu and Sydney.  The parents weren't informed until the following day.  However, during the night, the mother had what she at the time believed was a dream in which her son appeared by her bed, his jacket slung over his arm.  When she awoke, she told her husband about the strange dream.  Only later, when informed their son had been killed in the airline tragedy, did she realise her son had appeared to her at around the time of the accident

Similarly, when our children were infants and we were asleep, my husband sat bolt upright in bed which awakened me.  I asked what was wrong.  He couldn't say.  He had never done it before.  We decided that as we were now awake, we'd have a cup of tea.  Five minutes later, his sister arrived, at 2.30 in the morning, to say their father had just died suddenly and unexpectedly.  Three nights later while my husband was in the backyard, his deceased father appeared to him.  My husband headed indoors very swiftly.  When I asked what his deceased father had wanted, my husband replied it looked as if his father had wanted to talk to him.  But my husband was too shocked and afraid.  Oppportunity lost and sad, looking back

Millions of people have seen, heard or sensed the ghosts of the departed throughout millenia.  They were/are in no doubt about their experience and have no need for verification from anyone, just as they do not believe it their responsibility to convince others.  People are free to accept or reject.  However, that some might choose to reject ghosts does not alter the facts or render ghosts 'untrue'

I've seen two ghosts possibly three.  Like most, I didn't seek the experience, nor will I deny it.  Proof of one was provided in the form of a photograph shown to me by chance by an almost stranger, the following day.  The ghosts I saw were lifelike in full colour.  Only deviation from the norm was the fact their legs disappeared from about the knee area down

Experts in many fields have kicked Randi to the kerb repeatedly.  He's a joke figure in the minds of those with an iota of intelligence, but those desperate NOT to believe in survival of physical death trot out Randi's name in teh same way some people carry around a lucky penny or rabbit's foot

[lind9650]

When I married my second husband, we had to rent a large house to have enough room for our nine children. We had a lot of repairs and renovations to do, but it was a big house and cheap rent. One day when I was in town shopping, a lady approached me and asked how we are settling in. When I told her everything was fine, she asked if anything unusual has happened? Curious I asked her what she meant, so she told me that before us a woman with seven children live in the house and was scared out of it by a ghost of a man limping with a stick, wearing old clothes and a hat. The house had a long hallway from the front door straight to the back door, and evry night that man would appear, then vanish in thin air.

One day another neighbour asked me how many children we had, as she never heard any noise and could not work out if all the children entering our house were ours or frinds of our children. When I fold her how many we had, she was astounded, becuse the previous tennants kids practiclly wrecked the place and some of the neighbours properties.

To make a long story short. Our next door neighbour was the Granddaughter of the man that built our house. I asked her what her Grandfather was like, and she told me that he had a limp from an early football accident. He always walked with a stick and his beloved old hat. His passion in his later days was the cattle market.The Salesyard was just at the back of our backyard fence. He loved to go and chat with his mates, and evvery night he would listen to the news before retiring to bed. His name was Mr. Olson.

That gave me the answer to several things.

Our cat would laze all day i the house, but came 9pm she wanted to go out. Scrached on the door if we ignord her. I made a bed for her in the laundry that was at the end of the back porch, where she was happy.

Our little dog would sit on the sofa with us, but every night after 9pm he'd watch the door, gave a gentle growl and his eyes followed someone or someting to a lounge chair we had in one corner of the room. None of the children ever wanted to sit in that chair, saying it was to uncomfortable.

We have never seen Mr. Olson, but our animals surely did see or sense a presence that was not a life human. Animals have better senses than we have. I just wish they could talk.

To this day my children still talk about Mr. Olson. Every time something got broken or things disappeared out of the cupboard or fridge, the kids would say; "It must have been Mr. Olson."

Erica