Have you met any Refugee's

[margomeoz]

If so have you became friends with them?

[**meep**]

Thanks Am.  I understand that.

I am still curious as to what the difference in the process would be for someone who wanted to emigrate from the US and, let's say, Lebanon?

[cherry*135]

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@**meep** wrote:

Thanks Am.  I understand that.

I am still curious as to what the difference in the process would be for someone who wanted to emigrate from the US and, let's say, Lebanon?

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Are you meaning at the present time, or years ago (when things were different re immigration)?

When my girls applied for Student Visa's to the UK in the last few years, being Australians and part of the Commonwealth, the procedure was still fairly complicated, but  a lot less complicated for students from non-Commonwealth countries. There were different applications forms.

Even though an applicant lived in Australia they have to put down any country they had ever lived in.. so if they were born in Afghanistan the checks would be more involved...  the visa application approval could take a lot longer.

[**meep**]

Sorry Am, yes, I mean at present.

Have to go, be back later.

[mugssy65]

We have a bi partisan agreement with New Zealand I think it works like domestic travel people not of New Zealand nationality still need passports and visas to enter Australia no matter what country they come through on the way here.

[cherry*135]

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@mugssy65 wrote:
We have a bi partisan agreement with New Zealand I think it works like domestic travel people not of New Zealand nationality still need passports and visas to enter Australia no matter what country they come through on the way here.

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Not yet muggsy, they have talked about introducing it... the Aust side is dragging the chain on that.

At present everyone (from any country, incl Aust & NZ)  flying between Aust and NZ and vice versa must have a passport.

I wonder how though if they brought that in, if a NZ checks in, and says they are a NZer .. how do they know that is true? (apart from the accent!).

[buzzlightyearsgirlfriend]

Met one?! How about, actually, nevermind I'd better not say...

[buzzlightyearsgirlfriend]

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@just_me_karen wrote:

Margo I've taught English to heaps of refugees of all ages and have never met one likely to commit a crime. I can't think what group of refugee criminals are entering Australia, as mentioned earlier?

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Same.

[freakiness]

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@icyfroth wrote:

Refugees have been known to destroyed and / or have  falsfied documents.

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Do you mean like this man, Dr Munjed Al Muderis?

http://www.sah.org.au/assets/files/PDFs/Events%20and%20News/2013%20PDFs/Women's%20Weekly%20Nov%20201...

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Did he destroy / falsify documents? Lose them?

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Yes. His mother destroyed his documents to increase his chances of escape and got false docs for him. 

He went on to become on of our top surgeons after Ruddock said he would have no chance or pursuing his medical career in Australia.  

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That worked out alright then didn't it? So you think every refugee that comes here has the potential of becoming a bionic surgeon?

It just proves that many many refugees come here with falsified documents, so a screening process by the dept immigration would not reveal any potential troublemakers or rocket scientists. It's a case of wait and see, which is not always a happy ending as in your example.

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Actually, it demonstrates there are good reasons for documents to be destroyed. If he'd been caught leaving the country with his documents he would have been killed.  He volunteers as a defence reservist as pay back now, after arriving by boat thanks to people smugglers 14 years ago..

[margomeoz]

Buzz and Karen I am not a teacher of English most people would probably agree I can't even speak it correctly, but I met the many refugees I know in two ways.

During the war between the Croats and the Serbs my cousins and her husband who was Yugoslavian were both lawyers.

The husband used to meet the planes coming here and make documents for the Refugees on the planes, apparently it was not legal because he lost his license to be a lawyer.

I had many of those people in my home till they found what they wanted to do and where they could live.

The other way I met many over the last 30 odd years is one of my best friends is Yugoslavian she came out here 50 years ago and when the war started within Yugoslavia and people started to come here she asked me if I could employ one as a cleaner.

That was the start of my never having to look for another cleaner myself.

I have probably had at least 10 since the first one.

All these people were highly educated in their own country but could not work in their profession here and because of their lack of English could not pass the exams required to do so most were also too old.

Some of these people have made a life here bought houses or units and moved on to better jobs than a cleaner but they always passed me on to one of their friends.

My one before the one I have now stayed with me for 6 years she was a teacher in Yugoslavia and her husband was a scientist

they were my age they pined for home so when things settled they went back.

Thats a bit long winded I guess but my point is not everyone who comes here for safety actually wants to be here, they don't think it is the b all and end all of the universe they would prefer to live in their own country among their own family but this is not always possible so they come here.

Beats me how any humane person can begrudge them this.

[freakiness]

Beats me how any humane person can begrudge them this..... and call themselves a christian.