Heaven and hell is real

[imastawka]

Cos Wikipedia is reliable -

 Wikipedia is written collaboratively by largely anonymous Internet volunteers who write without pay. Anyone with Internet access can write and make changes to Wikipedia articles, except in limited cases where editing is restricted to prevent disruption or vandalism. Users can contribute anonymously, under a pseudonym, or, if they choose to, with their real identity.

[raptor_rebooted]

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@imastawka wrote:

Cos Wikipedia is reliable -

 Wikipedia is written collaboratively by largely anonymous Internet volunteers who write without pay. Anyone with Internet access can write and make changes to Wikipedia articles, except in limited cases where editing is restricted to prevent disruption or vandalism. Users can contribute anonymously, under a pseudonym, or, if they choose to, with their real identity.

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dont they have to cite sources?

[imastawka]

Sure.  But who checks them.  If you click on ufo's link up there,

there are 78 'references' not sources.  Have a read of some of them.

This was #78

James Caviezel was given a prosthetic nose and a raised hairline. His blue eyes were digitally chang...

also

Preston, John (8 April 2001). "The Dumbed Down Shall Be Raised Up". The Sunday Telegraph (London: Telegraph Media). ISSN 9976-1874. OCLC 436617201.

There seems to be a lot of opinions referred to,  and not studies quoted

It's been shown before, mostly on politicians, that wikipedia can be changed

to suit anybody.     It's possible to log in and change anything apparently.

I try not to quote wiki if I can help it.

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

I have.  And I dont see anything in the 5 books about Jesus being a jew.  

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The Jews do not believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they believe he existed and  I imagine it would be taken as a given that he was Jewish. HIs 'father' Joseph lived in Nazareth and was of the house of David; and Jesus was born in Bethlehem, (David's city.) . 

[raptor_rebooted]

so there is nothing on that  wiki page

you are actually disputing?

anyhoo - this is one of the sources:

here

Shawn Kelley's groundbreaking study shows how the major intellectual movements of the modern world, such as Orientalism and romantic nationalism, become infused with the category of race. He then traces the processes through which racially-grounded thinking has influenced modern biblical scholarship.

[lionrose.7]

I am so glad I am a pagan and dont have to worry about heaven or hell

[rabbitearbandicoot]

ufo wrote

"It makes a lot sense, Jesus is Jewish. The Jews are the chosen people"

I'll say again, the Jew WERE the chosen people.

Do you want to discuss this or are you just going to ignore what I say AGAIN?

[ufo_investigations]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

ufo wrote

"It makes a lot sense, Jesus is Jewish. The Jews are the chosen people"

I'll say again, the Jew WERE the chosen people.

Do you want to discuss this or are you just going to ignore what I say AGAIN?

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The Jews are the chosen people. What is there to discuss?

[imastawka]

Ya know.....the really good thing about

bashing your head against a wall, is...

It feels so much better when you stop!

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@ufo_investigations wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

ufo wrote

"It makes a lot sense, Jesus is Jewish. The Jews are the chosen people"

I'll say again, the Jew WERE the chosen people.

Do you want to discuss this or are you just going to ignore what I say AGAIN?

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The Jews are the chosen people. What is there to discuss?

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The Jews are no longer the chosen people - you show me where they are and I'll show you where they are not.

and, by the way, did you respond to my other question of you about bowing / kneeling before graven images?