Hinch makes some very good points.

[the_bob_delusion]

http://www.news.com.au/national/derryn-hinch-slams-celebrity-backed-bali-nine-mercy-campaign-video/s...

RADIO AND TV personality Derryn Hinch has criticised the decision made by Australian celebrities to call for mercy for Bali Nine masterminds Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan, saying their campaign is “hypocritical”.

“In Indonesia, they know that when they commit crimes like this, then you could get the death penalty.

“I say hypocritical because are these people who are up there who are saying ‘I stand for mercy’ — is that for Australian drug dealers or Australians on death row, or for everybody?”

“I mean did they stand up a week ago and say ‘I stand for mercy’ for the Brazilian who was executed in Indonesia, or the one from the Netherlands, or the Indonesian woman or somebody from Malawi? Or is it just Australians?,” he said.

He also questioned whether those celebrities involved in the video were against the death penalty in general, or if they were only against capital punishment for specific offences.

“Also if you are against the death penalty, are you against the death penalty for all offences?,” he asked.

“Are you against the death penalty say for the terrorists? Did you try and campaign to try and save the lives of the Bali Bombers?,” he said.

“Did we put our hands up and say show them clemency? Don’t execute them.”

He concluded with his view: “If you’re going to say ‘I stand for mercy’, stand for mercy for everybody, if you’re against the death penalty, be against it for everybody. you can’t be a little bit pregnant,” he added.

Kinda makes sense to me. 

[cherry*135]

Not really. Prisoners have a choice - act like an ass for their entire sentence or exhibit  model behaviour with the expectation that they will get out of prison earlier than if they act like an ass the whole tiime. The good behaviour thing does work.

[bushies.girl]

They knew the risks, they took the chance, they now pay the penalty .... I have no time for drug dealers at all ...

[the_bob_delusion]

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@am*3 wrote:

Not really. Prisoners have a choice - act like an ass for their entire sentence or exhibit  model behaviour with the expectation that they will get out of prison earlier than if they act like an ass the whole tiime. The good behaviour thing does work.

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You missed the point. These celebrities are up in arms for one particular offenders but not for others. Obviously they don't believe in Mercy for all. 

[crosbystills]

It's tricky. You can be against the death penalty in general but it's only natural to become more focussed on the issue when your own citizens are threatened. I sign a lot of petitions for Amnesty International (you can do it by sms) for their campaigns worldwide, but that's only a fraction of all the injustices happening. You can''t do it all.

You can easily turn Hinch's argument around. He's campaigned hard against paedophiles in Australia but has apparently done stuff all to take the fight to other countries. By his logic that's inconsistent.

[gleee58]

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@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

Not really. Prisoners have a choice - act like an ass for their entire sentence or exhibit  model behaviour with the expectation that they will get out of prison earlier than if they act like an ass the whole tiime. The good behaviour thing does work.

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You missed the point. These celebrities are up in arms for one particular offenders but not for others. Obviously they don't believe in Mercy for all. 

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Perhaps they didn't know the other were happening in advance.  Perhaps they are against the death penalty for all.  

Age factors into dumb decision making in a lot of cases.  Youth, in some, tends to carry an "it won't happen to me" flippancy when getting venturing into risky behaviour.

[horizon1907]

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@crosbystills wrote:

It's tricky. You can be against the death penalty in general but it's only natural to become more focussed on the issue when your own citizens are threatened. I sign a lot of petitions for Amnesty International (you can do it by sms) for their campaigns worldwide, but that's only a fraction of all the injustices happening. You can''t do it all.

You can easily turn Hinch's argument around. He's campaigned hard against paedophiles in Australia but has apparently done stuff all to take the fight to other countries. By his logic that's inconsistent.

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I agree crosby, it certainly is a tricky debate. What we ( Australians ) must remember is that is their Law. Break it and you will pay the penalty. There are signs everywhere telling you this. They ( Indonesia ) execute by Firing Squad on a regular basis. We don't hear about it normally. It's only now when it's Australians, that it makes the news.

[cherry*135]

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@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

Not really. Prisoners have a choice - act like an ass for their entire sentence or exhibit  model behaviour with the expectation that they will get out of prison earlier than if they act like an ass the whole tiime. The good behaviour thing does work.

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You missed the point. These celebrities are up in arms for one particular offenders but not for others. Obviously they don't believe in Mercy for all. 

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You missed my point. Not all prisoners decide to go down the 'good behaviour' route . These two, have far exceeded that. They can't be compared to all other prisoners.

Some prisoners murder and show no remorse at all, no prospects of rehabilitation. No one wants to seem them released ever, if at all possible.

Therefore, imo, yes you can say some prisoners, deserve a second chance more than others.. Whereas, others need locked up forever.

[the_great_she_elephant]

Presumably they are exercising that right to free speech that some posters here insist should be completely unrestricted.

[lyne-flyn]

Bottom line is they...as in all the outraged Australians...can posture and pose all they like.

It will not make one iota of difference to the outcome...remember Barlow and Chambers...same reactions almost 30 years ago and it didn't do a thing to alter the outcome.