on 23-01-2014 10:17 AM
and now for some right-wing propaganda;
Housing price bubble headed for unemployment ‘pop’
Australia’s property bubble is coming to land on a very sharp pin—the sharp increase in national unemployment.
Although the Australian Bureau of Statistics reported official unemployment held steady for the month of December, at 5.8 per cent, it recorded a plunge in the participation rate to 64.6 per cent.
That is, only 64.6 per cent of people of working age are active in the workforce, either working or looking for work.
When the participation rate falls, it is usually because job-seekers give up looking for work, at which time they are no longer counted in the unemployment statistics.
If the participation rate today was the same as the average in 2011—65.5 per cent—the official unemployment rate would already be 7.1 per cent.
And that’s just official unemployment, not real unemployment. For example, the ABS counts people who work as little as one hour per week as employed.
The Roy Morgan research company conducts its own monthly unemployment survey, using different parameters, including not counting people who work only one hour per week as employed. Roy Morgan reports the current unemployment rate is 10.7 per cent!
The Roy Morgan figure is usually 2-3 per cent higher than the official figure, but in recent times it has climbed much faster, reflecting the constant announcements of job losses in major industries and businesses.
Who will pay the mortgages?
Australia’s property bubble has been fully stretched for a long time, balancing precariously on the backs of the working families struggling to service their massive household debts.
Australian household debt to disposable income is more than 150 per cent.
A single percentage of increase in unemployment is in the order of 100,000 people, many of whom will have mortgages.
Houses are already priced out of reach of most first home buyers, so in recent times most of the buyers of property have been small investors. Recent analysis by UBS showed that 57 per cent of property investors are in debt, and are low-to-mid..., vulnerable to rising unemployment.
When the workers, whose mortgage payments service the banks’ obligations, can no longer carry the burden, the Australian banks will crash as dramatically as their counterparts in the other countries whose economies were dominated by property, including Spain and Ireland.
29-10-2014 01:23 PM - edited 29-10-2014 01:24 PM
on 30-10-2014 08:42 AM
Some have said the Australian housing bubble was going to pop for several years..... seems to be going gang busters.....
on 30-10-2014 10:31 AM
@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:Some have said the Australian housing bubble was going to pop for several years..... seems to be going gang busters.....
It has had a correction a couple of years back in some over valued areas such as QLD and Melb and Syd CBD and many areas saw a holding or small price decrease.
But this year they are moving forward in most suburbs that the average person would be buying in.
yes I know its an old thread but there isnt many others worth commenting on
on 30-10-2014 03:01 PM
My point being..... they are wrong every time.
Houses usually double in value every ten years........ that's not about to change.
on 30-10-2014 05:45 PM
That scenario cannot possibly be sustained. Despite what the media would have us all believe there is not a huge percentage of wealthy people around able to buy and sell property on a whim. The vast majority of the population especially families with kids are flat out paying the exorbitant cost here in Australia for utilities ie: power, water etc let alone service a mortgage and have savings in the bank for a rainy day because EVERY day is a rainy day in the "lucky" country.
30-10-2014 06:49 PM - edited 30-10-2014 06:50 PM
@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:My point being..... they are wrong every time.
Houses usually double in value every ten years........ that's not about to change.
I don't know about that, in the crazy boom time a few years ago people in this area (Sydney and surrounds) were paying $200 000+ above reserve, then when the came to sell a few years later they couldn't get anywhere near the price they paid (e.g. paid$750 000 sell for around $500 000).
Houses in our town keep their value (if the owner didn't pay too much to buy it) because there is limited supply (no or small amount of land available to build new houses).
The value of the houses here hasn't doubled over the last 10 years. Actually a RE agent told me of a house an absent owner was trying to sell for $2.2m (ocean front) and after about 2 years trying to sell it they let it go for $1m.
There just aren't that many buyers around anymore in that price bracket, since the GFC.
on 31-10-2014 12:10 AM
One mil plus for any house really is total bull in this day when young couples wanting to start a family cannot afford the front door step of a home of their own. These same people are the future of this nation. Just how many bedrooms, bathrooms, ensuites, parents retreats, pool rooms whatever do people need? There is a whole generation coming up that unless drastic measures are taken, will never have a place to call their own. This is an abomination of the highest order for a country like Australia. We're not talking third world here but it soon will be at this rate. Legislation or whatever must come about whereby there are severe restrictions on how much land developers can "stockpile". The endless Government charges that must be met via stamp duty etc. Anything else that comes to mind please feel free to add your 2 cents worth. There are far more eloquent people who contribute to this forum than me who no doubt would have some sound ideas. Oh, and I really think the sacred cow of negative gearing has to go for a start.
on 31-10-2014 12:36 AM
I thought the housing bubble already popped a few years ago. As a home owner with a mortgage it doesn't matter so much to us because we built before a boom. If we sell we also buy lower. It makes a big difference to people that bit off a bit more than they can pay for and have to sell.
House prices are way too high when compared to other countries and their wages.
on 31-10-2014 12:37 AM
I have read for a while now, that houses in Australia are over-priced compared to other countries.
It seems that there are certain financial factors at work which make that so by allowing those buying for investment to out-compete those buying a home to live in.
Negative gearing, for instance, favours the relatively well-off buyer of multiple properties; while the allowing of foreign nationals to buy and own Australian real estate is just going to send house prices here even higher.
We really shouldn't allow non Australians to own property here, if we expect first home buyers to even get a look-in. Just try to buy a house in Indonesia, for example.
on 31-10-2014 01:01 AM
Yes Joono and Lapetus. Very good points. I agree, as do a lot of people I'm sure, foreign nationals coming in and buying up our housing stock competing with our own citizens at auctions - way outbidding our own people and in the process ensuring prices become/stay overinflated. For sure, in other countries this is not on. Their governments will not allow foreigners ie: the likes of us to come into their country and buy up housing stock which is reserved for their own people and rightly so. Why is this allowed here?