How can we have an Australia Day without a flag debate?

We still have a flag that confuses the world - to the world our flag says we are still an English colony. So why oh why is it so hard to get Australians to change the thing?


 


After having had the misfortune of living in the midst of the Cronulla riots some years ago, I have come to hate what our flag now symbolises to many (that we are a white nation with anglo saxon ties) and would dearly love to see it changed.


 


I read Peter Fitz.s article this morning and couldn't agree more. Your thoughts?


 


 


I AM, you are, we are, Australian.


 


So why on earth, in the 21st century, do we still have a flag that reserves 25 per cent of its acreage proclaiming our allegiance, first and foremost, to Great Britain!?


 


Settle, Professor Flint, settle! You too, Jonesy. Settle, petals, I say! Whatever fatigue the conservative forces might feel at this subject flaring up ever more often, there is no way around it. Having a flag that declares to the world that we are Britain in the South Seas, a living relic of our colonial past, is as ludicrous as it is embarrassing.


 


Typically, Paul Keating said it best just over a year ago, when he noted: "We get around with the British flag in the corner of our flag. Great states do not do these things."


 


Who, seriously, can argue? (Apart from you, I mean, Professor and Jonesy.)


 


Against this most basic and obvious of assertions, a range of old chestnuts are thrown.


 


It is unpatriotic to speak out against the flag. Really? We want an Australian flag to feature uniquely Australian symbols, as opposed to the flag of another nation, and we're the unpatriotic ones?


 


If it ain't broke, don't fix it. It is bloody well broke. These days, the ostentatious display of the Australian flag outside a house, on bumper-stickers or the like, is more often a statement of political conservatism than patriotism pure. The Australian flag is no longer a symbol that unites us - it divides us.


 


It's our history. Really? Or is it just your history, as in your Anglo history? The fact that the Brits had a large part in forming Australia as it was in 1901 is reflected in the flag that was chosen then. But where in the flag is the representation of our now recognised indigenous citizens, or of the wave after wave of postwar immigrants, come from all parts of the world who have also since built the nation?


 


You can't believe in multiculturalism and support a flag that asserts the primacy of the Anglo race. We need a flag that reflects the equality of our citizens, not vaunts one lot over other.


 


Our forefathers and mothers served and died in wars under this flag, and so it can't be changed. This is the greatest chestnut of them all, and simply wrong. In the first place, in all the military books I have read, and written, I have never come across an "Iwo Jima" moment where our troops raced up a hill, or the like, to plant an Australian flag, let alone actually defended one to the death. That stuff is great for American movies, but not actually the way our wars were fought. They fought for Australia - and I honour them for it - but not specifically the flag. Besides which, the current blue ensign was only adopted at the insistence of Robert Menzies in 1954, to replace the red ensign which had broadly been our flag since 1901.


 


All up, is it really such a terrible thing to want an Australian flag to boast uniquely Australian symbols? For me, the answer is Eureka, but anything that does not have the flag of another nation upon it would be better than the one we have now.


 


Where will it all end, you ask? How about standing proudly on our own two feet, with a flag and a system of government entirely uncluttered by embarrassing proclamations of piety to another nation …




Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/our-flag-should-not-be-girt-by-british-history-20130125-2dc64...

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How can we have an Australia Day without a flag debate?


All Australians fought under (not for) the Union Jack in the Boer War.


Most Australians fought under the Union Jack in World War I.


Most Australians fought under either the Australian Red Ensign or the Union Jack in World War II.


All Australian Naval personnel fought under the British Naval Ensign in both world wars. Relatively few have fought in declared wars under the Australian Blue Ensign as we now know it.



 


Thank you for this post and your next, Azure. So many people get this wrong.

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gawd I didn't say YOU were picking it to bits....I answered the title

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So why on earth, in the 21st century, do we still have a flag that reserves 25 per cent of its acreage proclaiming our allegiance, first and foremost, to Great Britain!?


 


Umm... perhaps because HM Queen Elizabeth II is still our official head of state.

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The term Australian head of state, or any variation thereof, does not appear in either Australian or international law.


 



So, I guess the title is shared by both the Queen and the GG.?  The Queen is our Monarch.

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I vote for a new flag - The Bundy Bear ]:)

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are they native to Australia? :^O

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The Rum Is :^O

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The term Australian head of state, or any variation thereof, does not appear in either Australian or international law.


 



So, I guess the title is shared by both the Queen and the GG.?  The Queen is our Monarch.



 


GG is Her Majesty's local representative.

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The Australian Constitution does not contain the words "Head of State", nor was the term discussed during the constitutional debates which resulted in the drafting of the Constitution and its subsequent approval by the Australian people.


In the absence of a specific provision in the Constitution, we need to see who actually performs the duties of Head of State in order to determine who is the Head of State.


 


http://www.ourconstitution.org/aust_head_of_state.php

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Australia’s formal name is the Commonwealth of Australia. The form of government used in Australia is a constitutional monarchy – ‘constitutional’ because the powers and procedures of the Australian Government are defined by a written constitution, and ‘monarchy’ because Australia’s head of state is Queen Elizabeth II.


 


http://australia.gov.au/about-australia/our-government

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