How do you turn boats around?

[donnashuggy]

Will abbott turn boats like this around?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-13/baby-boy-dies-after-boat-capsizes-near-christmas-island/481847...

[a_dingo_ate_my_chinwagger]

I think the trouble lies with economic and social conditions being so bad in the countries they come from that they're willing to risk all to escape it.

and: a certain percentage see Australia as a land of golden opportunity, and like good Australians, they took a huge gamble to get here.

it's a real problem though, sorting out the opportunists from the genuine refugees.

[poddster]

Yes Donna, Indonesia is at fault. they too should adopt the same strategy........no ID ..... No entry.

The onus should be on the asylum seeker to prove their identity and refugee status and not on Australia to show proof to the contrary.

If you are being persecuted, prove your identity and prove the persecution.

[smithie12]

Good answer poddster. As much as I sympathise with true refugees, I feel that many f these boat people are not true refugees. Just q jumpers, who know they won't get in so they try to get in the back door.

[poddster]

Economic and social conditions do not qualify for political asylum.

There is already a legal refugee  system in place and that requires Identification and background.

Think of the boats as gate crashers to your private function. What would you do?

[donnashuggy]

These people arrive in Indonesia with passports.

[poddster]

If they have passports to get in Donna and their port of origin is Indonesia and can be proven to be so then they have to be accepted back there even if they have destroyed the passports. It than becomes Indonesia's problem.

Send back a few plane loads and watch the number of boats drop.

[donnashuggy]

Indonesia doesn't want them and you cannot fly without documents, even back to your own country.

[poddster]

Donna, so if Indinesia and every other country needs papers to gain entry there how come that we dont have the same requirement?

Oh that right we do have that requirement.

My advice is enforce that law

[meh_too]

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@donnashuggy wrote:

I think it is because they want their own families prioritized, natural selfishness.

I do agree with poddy to an extent that those who throw away their papers should be sent back but how do you send them back without papers and to where?

Without documents these people really cannot go anywhere.

The trouble lays with Indonesia allowing visas to people who potentially end up on boats throwing away their papers.

Yes they can, they come here - no real questions asked

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[freakiness]

I don't think they really care if they turn back the boats when safe as long as they don't make it here.

The when safe bit just seems like an add on to stop people attacking for their lack of humanity.

Refugee numbers will drop when global refugee movements slow down.

Until then I don't think there is an easy solution, without sinking them and letting the people drown.