How do you turn boats around?

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How do you turn boats around?

That's part of the problem lurker - some behave as if these people are subhuman.

 

I don't understand how you can lack that much empathy.

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Ditch the UN Refugee Convention

 

by:Adrienne Millbank

From:The Australian

May 03, 201312:00AM

 

 

ONCE again Australia's offshore (Nauru and Manus Island) and onshore processing centres are swamped and we are confronted with images of distressed asylum-seekers self-harming, lip-sewing and hunger-striking. Such images are jarring and confusing in a country of migration where new arrivals are supposed to be welcomed as equals.

 

Australia's border protection efforts and their appalling effects do not reflect a country that has turned its back on migrants and refugees; they reflect an asylum system that is crumbling under its own outrageous costs and contradictions. The problem with the 1951 UN Convention relating to the Status of Refugees is that it legitimises unregulated entry. And unregulated inflows of economic migrants and asylum-seekers are anathema to managed migration and refugee resettlement.

 

Australia may be approaching a tipping point in its always uneasy relationship with the refugee convention. The Howard-era border protection policies, reinstated by the Labor government in desperation after it had abolished them, are not working. Nor are measures recommended by the hastily convened expert panel to which the Prime Minister, in even greater desperation, abrogated responsibility. Indeed, the expansion of the humanitarian program to 20,000 places is encouraging more asylum-seekers.

Last year, more than 17,000 asylum-seekers arrived. More than 30,000 are projected for this year. Our offshore humanitarian migration program has been overwhelmed. This is not good for the 70,000 to 90,000 refugees the UN High Commissioner for Refugees identifies each year as most in need of third-country resettlement. As former immigration minister Chris Bowen pointed out, Australia, the US and Canada are the only significant resettlement countries.Without us, there is no hope. At least 1000 people have drowned at sea.

 

This is not the legacy Labor intended when it came to office in 2007. It wanted to cement a reputation as more compassionate than the Howard government. When it unwound deterrence measures built up across 20 years, it never intended to welcome larger numbers of asylum-seekers. The boats had stopped coming and, hoping to keep things that way, Labor increased expenditure on border protection to record levels. It miscalculated.

 

Using the refugee convention to score political points was ill-advised. The domestic politics of asylum are toxic and divisive. Advocates think voters need to be better educated about signatory states' obligations. A growing number of voters think the refugee convention is past its use-by date. Australians see how European countries struggle to integrate large, unplanned inflows of economic migrants and refugees. Familiar with managed humanitarian migration, they see how the refugee convention advantages people on the basis of their capacity to pay, and to play the system, over refugees in greater need.

 

Australian voters also see the commonwealth budget has blown out by billions of dollars, trying to keep boatpeople out, rescuing, detaining and processing those who manage to get in. They think better things could be done with this money: improved disability services for Australian residents, perhaps, as well as helping more needy refugees.

 

The credibility of the Labor government is destroyed, and a clear majority favour the Coalition on this issue. The opposition, however, offers only a return to measures that seem less likely to succeed the second time around and with larger numbers. It offers the depressing  prospect of a lengthy, gruelling period of escalating toughness. Temporary protection visas are a weak deterrent. Not all boats will be turned around. And even if offshore processing does slow boat arrivals, transporting asylum-seekers to impoverished islands and caring for them at immense cost before, in all probability, issuing them with resident visas is ridiculous.

 

The legacy of the Rudd and Gillard policy failures could be that it is no longer possible to return to the halfway solutions that worked in the past. The costs of pretending to uphold obligations under the refugee convention, at least in the way they presently are interpreted, have become too high.

 

As a country of migration, Australia needs its refugee policy to be sensible, morally defensible and well regulated.

 

We may have reached the point where the country's legal obligations need to be brought into line with public expectations that the government will control the borders and that migration will be managed. It is time to rethink dubious international obligations and to argue Australia's case.

 

Australia should require asylum-seekers wanting to settle in this country to apply for a refugee or humanitarian visa offshore, through our overseas posts or the UNHCR.

 

Adrienne Millbank, a researcher at Monash University.

I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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So, as per the article, what is the country's 'expectations'?

 

I expect our country to treat people humanely and accept people from around the world that are hurting.

 

World refugee numbers have soared in the last 5 years and will continue to do so for a while yet. But our intake numbers have only increased by a small amount in proportion.

 

What more do people want?

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Last week I saw Les Murray  ( Australian sports journalist) on Adam Hills Show.  He told a story about how he, as a little boy in 1950s, was "smuggled" out of Hungary with his parents  by a "people smuggler".  When they reached Austria and told the authorities who they are they were told "welcome, you are free now".   The people smuggler was risking his life to save lives of the people he was helping to escape.  Just as did those helping Jews out of nazi Germany, and although they were paid, they are now considered heroes. 

And while not all people seeking refuge come from countries we are directly involved in invading, many of the situations there evolved from US policies with our support.  Iran became so radically Islamist thanks to US political intervention in 1970s. 

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Tell me Martinus, how much of your lifestyle and the countriy's lifestyle are you ready to forgo to feed, house, educate, and try to employ the ever increasing influx of unlawful immigration?

 

What would you be prepared to make cuts in?

Education?

Social welfare?

Hospitals?

Disability care?

 

How much are to prepared to have taxes increase?

5%

10%

15%

20%

50%

 

 

I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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Poddster - not sure what your point is.

 

I have always stated on these boards that I would happily pay more tax in order for those less fortunate than myself to have better lives.

 

I am lucky. I earn a great salary. Husband earns a whopping salary. We can afford to live in a semi lavish way. Instead we choose to live simply and a fair chunk of our salary goes to a few charities, some of which help with refugee resettlement. 

 

We still have too much money for our needs and lifestyle though.

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poddster wrote:

How much are to prepared to have taxes increase?


 


The only wasted money is money spent on building off-shore processing camps, all the other money goes back to the society, and the sooner the refugees are allowed into the community to work, pay taxes and spend their money, sooner they are actually contributing to Australian society.  Adult refugees are ready made taxpayers.  Teenage refugees who go to school and then UNI may cost a bit upfront, but they are still in the end cheaper than Australian born baby, that had to be educated and covered by the health system  for many years more.  And the small children who come with their parents, who become tax payers as soon as they are able to start working, are not any different than other kids.

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Wouldn't genuine refugees - fleeing from persecution or war torn countries & have no safe home - understand that they would have to stay in a dentention camp until they were cleared for entry into Australia ?? 

 

IF they had come from such horrible situations - surely they would be satisied with having a roof over their heads, themselves safe & fed daily ??

 

 

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watch this video. fraser rightly says that the coalition's plan to turn back asylum seekers will not work.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-06/fraser-asylum-approach-wretched/4803736

 

" .... policies and deterrents are not going to work if people are genuine refugees.  if people have been brutalised, if they're in fear of their lives if they'd had family members in jail, or killed or whatever or tortured, and if people want a future for their kids in those circumstances the incentive to try  somewhere get where they can have a future and live without fear, is massive."

 

that, folks, is wot people like bolt, pickerin', and poddster don't get. they sit in the comfort of their safe quarters, behind their computer screens, pompously barkin' on about human situations that they've never personally 'ad any experience with, and livin' conditions that they'll never 'ave to face.   as long as they believe that refugees all carry 'papers' with 'em, and should be shifted back to indo. if they don't,  they'll continue to live in xenophobic fairyland.

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@kilroy_is_here wrote:
Firstly this boat load most comes from countries that have not been invaded by the British ,us or Australia .
To stop the boats you need to make the punishment greater than the rewards .
So no permanent residency , and bring in the death penalty for people smuggling , including boat captains ,make the price of getting here to greater than the rewards of trying, for those responsible for the trafficking

there it is .. the old 'Death penalty' Smiley LOL you do know its never worked dont you ?

we did watch the sri lankan war even if we were not involved (can't go messing up the cricket schedule) atrocities are well documented (but not talked about in our media much)

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