How is the Covid vaccine produced so quickly ?

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How is the Covid vaccine produced so quickly ?

Dr Peter McCullough seems to claim that he is an epidemiologist.

 

 

He is not.

 

 

 

 

He is certainly qualified as a doctor, and I don’t doubt that he is academically bright. So are thousands, no, more than thousands, of medically qualified doctors. 

Doctors can sometimes disagree with each other. It is possible for one lone voice to be right and for the establishment or greater body to be wrong. It’s not on that basis that I give no credence to Peter McCullough’s views on COVID-19 and vaccinations and treatment thereto; it is because the evidence, the actual data, the research and the clinical results and facts starkly contradict his views.

 

The FDA concluded, based on the results of studies in the use of hydroxychloriquine, that it was ineffective as a medical intervention against COVID-19. They had approved its use with an emergency use authorisation initially in the desperate hope that it might prevent or treat COVID-19 infection and moderate to severe symptoms and death, and there have been some very good studies /clinical trials. However, to date, the clinical trials have contraindicated its use; not only is it ineffective, but there is a significant risk of cardiac damage arising (including the outcome of death). The risk of those adverse outcomes is considerably larger than the risk of the rare blood clotting in AZ.

 

It’s no surprise that the emergency use authorisation was revoked. 

 

That is not to say that hydroxychloroquine may not have applicability for COVID-19 treatment in the future, depending upon further information and results from further clinical trials. It continues to be able to be administered in the clinical trial settings, to see for instance if different doses, combinations with other drugs, methods etc will deliver good (and replicable) results. That is how medical treatment research works; it’s not accomplished by spruiking unproven therapies.

 

Intelligent people can be wrong or mistaken, just as foolish people can. Intellect is not a defence against stubbornness, wrong thinking, confirmation bias, favouring a pet theory, etc. Conspiracy theorists come from all walks of life and have various levels of education. Facts and data will not sway a person with a strong and blind devotion to a particular view.

 

It’s very likely that all of us have our own personal immovable positions on some aspects. I have my own, although my nature and my mind seek to reconcile my views with raw data.

 

 

 

 

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Further - to put out false - misleading - and potentially dangerous information - is against this forums policies.

 

Dr Peter McCullough - has been dismissed from his position due to his - misleading false claims - let's not go near - c theories '. lol

 

The Shareholders actually got rid of him - he was/is very bad for business due to being a bit of a nutjob.

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@countessalmirena wrote:

Dr Peter McCullough seems to claim that he is an epidemiologist.

 

 

He is not.

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Seems to? Hmm, the light seems to be on but it is not. Either the light is on or it is off.

Seems to does not mean has done!

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He is certainly qualified as a doctor, and I don’t doubt that he is academically bright. So are thousands, no, more than thousands, of medically qualified doctors. 

Doctors can sometimes disagree with each other. It is possible for one lone voice to be right and for the establishment or greater body to be wrong. It’s not on that basis that I give no credence to Peter McCullough’s views on COVID-19 and vaccinations and treatment thereto; it is because the evidence, the actual data, the research and the clinical results and facts starkly contradict his views.

 

The FDA concluded, based on the results of studies in the use of hydroxychloriquine, that it was ineffective as a medical intervention against COVID-19. They had approved its use with an emergency use authorisation initially in the desperate hope that it might prevent or treat COVID-19 infection and moderate to severe symptoms and death, and there have been some very good studies /clinical trials. However, to date, the clinical trials have contraindicated its use; not only is it ineffective, but there is a significant risk of cardiac damage arising (including the outcome of death). The risk of those adverse outcomes is considerably larger than the risk of the rare blood clotting in AZ.

 

It’s no surprise that the emergency use authorisation was revoked. 

 


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I see you're dedicated in your mission and fair enough.

If you watch the interviews with him plus other doctors who have been using this drug, you'll note that tests referred to are not in the early stages and not always in keeping with a prescribed treatment plan. Also note that hydroxychlorquine is never used on its own in treating this corona virus. It is just one of the components.

 

Talking of damage to a person with hydroxychlorquine treatment, a lot of those damages are from treatment where it is the sole or main drug. With treating Covid 19, the dose is different (lower), hydroxycholorquine is not used on its own and the course is much shorter.

 

And as for the FDA, well what can one say. From what I have known over the years, there appears to be more than just speculation on the integrity of this organization.

 

Money can be used to pay bills, buy food, fill your car petrol tank, take your family to the picture show,  buy that new shirt or dress that you've had your eye on.  It can be used for many things including buying people!

 

The below clip can give an insight into what does or doesn't go on.

 

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Jonathan Emord talks about corruption within the FDA
17,243 views
Sep 23, 2014

 

100thMonkeyChannel
11.7K subscribers

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgf-nBeI1g8

 

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Serious Safety Problems Involving the FDA and the Pharmaceutical Industry
May 18, 2010

 

Duke Clinical Research Institute
5.14K subscribers
Research Conference presented by Sidney Wolfe, MD

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_BSy747hEs


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An overhaul is needed

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@countessalmirena wrote:

 

Intelligent people can be wrong or mistaken, just as foolish people can. Intellect is not a defence against stubbornness, wrong thinking, confirmation bias, favouring a pet theory, etc. Conspiracy theorists come from all walks of life and have various levels of education. Facts and data will not sway a person with a strong and blind devotion to a particular view.

 

It’s very likely that all of us have our own personal immovable positions on some aspects. I have my own, although my nature and my mind seek to reconcile my views with raw data.


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We're talking about historical success with this drug. Using terms such as "confirmation bias, favouring a pet theory, etc. Conspiracy theorists"  just sound like what agri-chemical companies use to try and counter accounts, evidence or harm caused by their product.  There is none of this  conspiracy theory or fanciful pet idea with Dr. McCullough.

 

Dr. Peter McCullough is not the only doctor who has had success with its use. It has been the drug of choice in India until recent times.  In some South American countries it is part of the treatment of choice.

 

Under strict medical supervision, oral drug treatment has merit.

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With an adult population of 258.3 million in the US - this certainly is up there with mainstream. 

 

Jonathan Emord talks about corruption within the FDA
17,243 views
Sep 23, 2014

 

100thMonkeyChannel
11.7K subscribers

 

Serious Safety Problems Involving the FDA and the Pharmaceutical Industry
May 18, 2010

 

Duke Clinical Research Institute
5.14K subscribers

 

Given - 7 & 11 years resp. 😴

 

 

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ABC

We've never made a successful vaccine for a coronavirus before. This is why it's so difficult

 

ABC Health & Wellbeing

By Jo Khan for the Health Report
Posted Fri 17 Apr 2020 at 11:26am
Friday 17 Apr 2020 at 11:26am
, updated Fri 17 Apr 2020 at 1:17pm

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616

 


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Still experimental.

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Medsafe believes Pfizer vaccine not factor in death of teen
9:23 pm on 30 September 2021

Medsafe has recorded the death of a 17-year-old following their first Covid-19 vaccine but it believes the dose was not a factor.

 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/452674/medsafe-believes-pfizer-vaccine-not-factor-in-death-of-te...

 


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If older people or those in the high risk category want the jab then fair enough. But young folk who recover and develop immunity if they get the virus do not need jabs.

 

Still experimental.


 

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If older people or those in the high risk category want the jab then fair enough. But young folk who recover and develop immunity if they get the virus do not need jabs.

 

Still experimental.

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I'd say you're quite possibly right there.

I think it is an area worth looking into-whether people who have had a bad dose of covid and recovered-would need vaccination. or need vaccination right now, at any rate. Especially teens who usually have a healthy immune system.

 

It could be that covid19 will end up like the flu, where the mutations may mean we'll need a different booster every year. I was reading that some people have a gene which is believed to give a higher level of natural immunity to covid. Some 60% of people in England and Scotland have this gene (it is related to neanderthal ancestry).

But the interesting thing is this same gene gave some immunity to the SARS virus, but apparently the SARS virus had adapted to dodge being recognised by that gene. That's not expressed very scientifically but hopefully people will know what I mean.

 

The danger is that covid might mutate in a similar way and those with current immunity (through the gene or through having had covid) might find themselves at risk with any newer version.

 

Mind you, no virus really benefits by killing a host too quickly, so we have to hope it mutates to something a little more benign.

 

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ABC

We've never made a successful vaccine for a coronavirus before. This is why it's so difficult

 

ABC Health & Wellbeing

By Jo Khan for the Health Report
Posted Fri 17 Apr 2020 at 11:26am
Friday 17 Apr 2020 at 11:26am
, updated Fri 17 Apr 2020 at 1:17pm

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616

 


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Still experimental.


 

the article you link to is from last year, before the development of COVID vaccines.

 

Here is some more up to date information on what Professor Ian Frazer thinks about COVID vaccines:

 

Short video (1.30)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-q3qxagZqY

 

Long video (6.00)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xCAMRfc_r0

 

 

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