How much do we value our privacy? How much do we trade for a lifestyle?

[4channel]

How much is too much?

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50:00 Now playing

Shoshana Zuboff on surveillance capitalism | VPRO Documentary

3.6M views 1 year ago

vpro documentary

Harvard professor Shoshana Zuboff wrote a monumental book about the new economic order that is alarming. "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism," reveals how the biggest tech companies deal with our data. How do we regain control of our data? What is surveillance capitalism? In this documentary, Zuboff takes the lid off Google and Facebook and reveals a merciless form of capitalism in which no natural resources, but the citizen itself, serves as a raw material. How can citizens regain control of their data?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIXhnWUmMvw

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39:20 Now playing

Shoshana Zuboff on 'surveillance capitalism' and how tech companies are always watching us

90K views 1 year ago

Channel 4 News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL4bz3QXWEo

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When should enough have been enough?  The part (at 7:30) about a woman being pregnant  and a supermarket chain knowing before she did is an eye opener. Shoulld be a brain opener too.

Interestingly, one of our valued regulars posted something similar some time back.

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Pokemon Go an Invasion of Privacy

on ‎07-24-2016 12:48 PM

@icyfroth wrote:

Film director Oliver Stone has says Pokémon Go is a “new level of invasion” of privacy that could lead to “totalitarianism”.

Oliver Stone has a history of taking on the establishment, and questioning historical and social narratives that society has been conditioned to accept as truth.

While promoting his new movie about NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden at Comic-Con International, the hollywood filmmaker was asked about security concerns associated with Pokémon Go.

Stone noted that companies were actually using the game to carry out“surveillance capitalism” by monitoring people’s behaviour.

Stone said…

“It’s not funny. What’s happening is a new level of invasion.

“The profits are enormous here for places like Google. They’ve invested a huge amount of money in data mining what you are buying, what you like, your behaviour.

“It’s what some people call surveillance capitalism.”

https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Pokemon-Go-an-Invasion-of-Privacy/m-p/1976473/high...

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I'm surprised that more folks didn't post on her thread. Don't we care?

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

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@4channel wrote:

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@imastawka wrote:

If you open the fridge and can't think of anything, you can list the ingredients that you do have, and google will give you a recipe.

Craziness?  I think not.

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Well, whether someone has the Google or that Amazon thing at home or they do things the manual way and search via Google on  their phone or computer, they are adding to their profile. Most of all they are sadly sacrificing something.

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anyone who wants to maintain their privacy in the digital age must not buy-in to the digital age.

Anyone who thinks they can have Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter or even an internet connection AND have the level of privacy they could have pre-internet age is just kidding themselves.

The trick nowadays for people who use the internet is not to ‘have’ privacy but to ‘manage’ privacy.  Even posting on these boards surrenders a deal of privacy for posters who are not using a ‘posting only’ ID.  Even though feedback is ‘anonymised’, exactly what a member has bought can still be found out in a lot of cases (if you know how).

Spoiler

if you want to keep your buying history private then use a posting ID on these boards.

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what I buy on this ID poses me no privacy concerns (except for the Denby Dinner Set)

@4chan, if you are concerned about people’s privacy then DO NOT EVER be critical of members here using a posting ID.

[katistrophik]

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@4channel wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

So would it be fair to say the wish for privacy turns into paranoia wen we suspect the CIA may be spying on us via Facebook.

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I seriously doubt that the people who value privacy would think the CIA is actually spying on them individually by looking over their Facebook account. I believe the article addresses another procedure by the agency.

Talking of Paranoia, it has been noticed that many people who don't like the idea of people speaking in support of  privacy or health-freedom issues etc. may have paranoid thoughts themselves. It seems they have bought into this hype that anyone who challenges something supposedly sanctioned by the system is going to destroy it and plunge everyone into the unknown. True! I have come across a couple of folks like that in my time. These types of people are why fascist dictatorships have control. Well, I personally believe the system can work, I believe that positive change can be achieeved by peaceful means where decent honest representatives are elected in. One way to ensure good things are done is to positivity engage in "Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances".

BTW: What did you think of Shoshana Zuboff's lectures?  They were linked in Post #1 on this thread. 

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Mum and Dad ?

[imastawka]

Anyone who thinks they can have Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter or even an internet connection AND have the level of privacy they could have pre-internet age is just kidding themselves.

I have all those.....but not in my real name

[domino-710]

I have so many - I've forgotten my ' real name '. LOL

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

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@imastawka wrote:

Anyone who thinks they can have Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter or even an internet connection AND have the level of privacy they could have pre-internet age is just kidding themselves.

I have all those.....but not in my real name

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and pre-internet this using a fake name would not have been a necessity to maintain your privacy.  

[imastawka]

I still have a private landline phone number - that's pre internet    

[domino-710]

So is mine - same for 33 years - but sheesh - I'm worried about 5G - it probably has my ' real name ' already. 

[imastawka]

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@domino-710 wrote:

So is mine - same for 33 years - but sheesh - I'm worried about 5G - it probably has my ' real name ' already. 

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I know I have it   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

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@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:

The trick nowadays for people who use the internet is not to ‘have’ privacy but to ‘manage’ privacy.  Even posting on these boards surrenders a deal of privacy for posters who are not using a ‘posting only’ ID.  Even though feedback is ‘anonymised’, exactly what a member has bought can still be found out in a lot of cases (if you know how).

Spoiler

if you want to keep your buying history private then use a posting ID on these boards.

Spoiler

what I buy on this ID poses me no privacy concerns (except for the Denby Dinner Set)

@4chan, if you are concerned about people’s privacy then DO NOT EVER be critical of members here using a posting ID.

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when I posted a previous post I forgot about non-sellers being able to make their feedback ‘private’.

[domino-710]

And I - yours - do you take - collect calls. LOL