on 20-10-2014 12:17 PM
Humans are NOT to blame for global warming, says Greenpeace co-founder, as he insists there is 'no scientific proof' climate change is manmade
There is no scientific proof of man-made global warming and a hotter earth would be ‘beneficial for humans and the majority of other species’, according to a founding member of environmental campaign group Greenpeace.
The assertion was made by Canadian ecologist Patrick Moore, a member of Greenpeace from 1971 to 1986, to U.S senators on Tuesday.
He told The Senate Environment and Public Works Committee: ‘There is no scientific proof that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are the dominant cause of the minor warming of the Earth’s atmosphere over the past 100 years.
If there were such a proof it would be written down for all to see. No actual proof, as it is understood in science, exists.’
Moore pointed out that there was an Ice Age 450million years ago when CO2 was 10 times higher
He said: ‘There is some correlation, but little evidence, to support a direct causal relationship between CO2 and global temperature through the millennia.
The fact that we had both higher temperatures and an ice age at a time when CO2 emissions were 10 times higher than they are today fundamentally contradicts the certainty that human-caused CO2 emissions are the main cause of global warming.’
Even if the earth does warm up, Moore claims that it will be to the advantage of humans and other forms of life, as ‘humans are a tropical species’.
He said: ‘It is extremely likely that a warmer temperature than today’s would be far better than a cooler one.’
Humans, he added, just aren’t capable of predicting global temperature changes.
Moore said that he left Greenpeace because it ‘took a sharp turn to the political left’.
on 21-10-2014 09:22 AM
GREENS' BEYOND ZERO EMISSIONS
let's hear how they will do it
In January 2014 OECD Secretary-General Angel Gurría called for “a plan to achieve zero net greenhouse emissions globally.” Not to be outdone, Australia has an organisation named “Beyond Zero Emissions”.
Try making steel without using coal and producing carbon dioxide.
Try making cement without producing carbon dioxide.
Try moving cattle road trains in the outback without producing carbon dioxide.
Try operating an aluminium refinery on wind power.
Try keeping electric trains, lifts and lights running on a still night without coal or gas backup.
Try powering a container ship with sails.
Try getting approval to build a nuclear power station or a new hydro-electric dam in Australia.
Try feeding the people of the world while burning half of the food crops as biofuel.
The production of carbon dioxide is a direct measure of economic activity. To forcibly cut it must cause a recession. Russia, Poland, the Czechs, China, India, Brazil, South Africa, Japan and Canada have already recognised this truth.
The level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere today is well below the optimum level for plant growth. Human production of carbon dioxide plant food did fall during the Great Depression and added to plant starvation and crop failures in those bleak years.
“Zero Emissions” is another selfish and destructive green slogan which, if pursued, will turn into a nightmare of joblessness, poverty and hunger especially for the poorer people of the world.
on 21-10-2014 09:35 AM
What happened to Global warming? and if you ask the ABC will slap you down. The hysteria that we have been subject to for years, the politicization of it and the hysteria of the rent seekers has been on show.
At last there is a light to shine on the carpetbaggers and warm mongers and they don't like it, they will trash your reputation and ruin your livelihood:
DR Karl Kruszelnicki turned uncharacteristically snarky on Tony Delroy’s radio show last week. Delroy had been watching Catalyst, the ABC’s Thursday night science program, and had caught up with the news that global warming was falling behind schedule.
“Between the 70s and, sort of like, the early to the late 90s, there was a substantial rise in global temperatures,” said Delroy, “and it seems to have flattened out a bit since 1998.”
A slowing in the rate of global warming, or even a modest cooling, should be a welcome development. Perhaps we can carry on mining coal after all and help bring electricity to the 300 million Indians squatting in the darkness. Plastic bags could be restored to South Australian supermarket check-outs and the ugly word sustainability could be removed from the lexicon.
If there’s a downside, however, you can trust the ABC to find it.
“You’ve got to say that it is, for the climate change deniers, a window of opportunity. There’s a lot of high-profile people out there pushing the line, people like Andrew Bolt are out there every night.”
Dr Karl snapped back. “Ah, which university is he a professor of climate science at?”
Listen to the experts, urged Dr Karl. Climate scientists were “really unified”, he said. “Ignore opinions, stick with the facts.”
Well the fact, according to Catalyst, is that the planet hasn’t warmed since 1998. The computer models in which so much faith was invested got it wrong. “The most important question to answer in climate science today,” claims Catalyst’s narrator, is “what happened to global warming?”
It was always going to be interesting to watch how the experts would react once it became clear the science of climate change was not as settled as they once claimed.
“On one point the sceptics were right,” Catalyst’s Anja Taylor told viewers. “None of the models used in future climate projections predicted the hiatus. And while the slowdown for the first few years was written off as natural variability, lately it’s become something to explain.”
It was an Australian scientist, Bob Carter, who first drew attention to the flattening trend in an article in Britain’s The Telegraph in April 2006. Carter reviewed the official temperature records of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia for the years 1998 to 2005 and asked: “Does something not strike you as odd?”
Carter’s reward for identifying the lack of global warming was to have his professional reputation trashed. When Carter repeated his suggestion in the Australian press a year later, the CSIRO felt obliged to respond. Carter had presented “an unethical misrepresentation of the facts”, wrote Andrew Ash, acting director of the CSIRO’s Climate Adaptation Flagship. “All scientists welcome honest criticism since it helps to sharpen our analyses and improve our understanding, but scepticism based on half-truths and misrepresentation of facts is not helpful.”
ABC online’s The Drum refused to run his commentary. ABC Radio National’s science broadcaster Robyn Williams gave an open microphone to Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change communications director Bob Ward, who accused Carter of “desperately seeking bits of information to back up a theory”.
Political scientist Robert Manne said the likes of Carter, award-winning geologist Ian Plimer and former head of the National Climate Centre at the Bureau of Meteorology William Kininmonth “have to be resisted and indeed denounced” along with the “anti-political correctness and anti-collectivist ideologues, the right-wing media and the fossil fuel corporations”.
As recently as two years ago, former finance minister Nick Minchin was mocked on the ABC’s Q&A for suggesting that temperatures had plateaued. “There is a major problem with the warmist argument because we have had rising CO2 but we haven’t had the commensurate rise in temperature that the IPCC predicted,” he said.
“That’s just not true Nick,” responded Anna Rose, chairwoman of the Australian Youth Climate Coalition.
The University of NSW’s Matthew England joined in. “What Nick just said is actually not true. The IPCC projections of 1990 have borne out very accurately the projections now 22 years old.”
As it happens, it was true. The 1990 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report predicted temperature rises of 0.3C each decade. In fact, according to the latest report global temperatures have risen only 0.14C per decade since 1978.
In September last year a draft version of the fifth assessment report of the IPCC’s working group 1 that assesses the physical science of climate finally acknowledged the gap between computer projections and observed surface temperatures between 1998 and 2012. The IPCC was not so bold as to admit that its previous reports were wrong. It did accept, however, that there had been a “global mean surface temperature trend hiatus”, which amounts to the same thing.
If science worked as purely as Francis Bacon suggested it should, by the application of induction and observation, climate science would have moved on by now. Experts, however, are only human. Too many professional reputations have been invested in a fixed idea for it to be simply abandoned.
The heating has not stopped, we are told, it has simply “paused”. The word bristles with presumption. Despite their appalling track record in the past 20 years, climate scientists still believe they can predict how temperatures will move in the future.
“The ocean is absorbing huge amounts of heat energy and then will toss it back on us further along,” Dr Karl told Delroy.
Nobody suggested that temperatures should rise in a straight line, he said. “It’s much more complicated than that … there are so many factors involved, El Nino, La Nina, Pacific Decadal Oscillation, etc, that suggests that you need a 17-year window to able to look past the noise.
“And here they are saying we’re looking at a nine-year window and it looks sort of not as uppity as before. Well that’s easy, it’s not a 17-year window.”
In 1997 Christopher Pearson, sceptic extraordinaire, wrote a column pondering what would happen when the news finally filtered through that greenhouse forecasts had been vastly exaggerated. “Perhaps, having safely negotiated the millennium, which is a major cause of all this anxiety, we may collectively surrender to a bout of unqualified optimism,” Pearson wrote. “I doubt it.”
There would be fresh catastrophes on offer, Pearson predicted, since “the appetite for catastrophe is now highly developed and mass media delight in pandering to it”.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/time-for-cooler-heads-to-prevail/story-e6frg6n6-1227096554835
on 21-10-2014 09:48 AM
@flygal.funfactor wrote:What global warming?.......global temperatures haven't increased for nearly two decades.
I suppose the polar ice caps are not melting causing the oceans to rise. Or the ozone (earth's atmosphere) isn't decaying causing air alearts warning those with breathing problems to stay inside. Maybe all those documentaries I watched are lying to me, it's possible I suppose.
If or not you agree with global warming aside, Can you deny that mankind is poluting the planet?, the air, oceans, soil? Would you at least agree that we should be doing all we can to stop or slow polution down and at least make some effort to clean it up? Then at least try to hold corprate intrests accountable for the mass polution they put out?
Yet global atmospheric temperatures haven't increased for nearly twenty years....and Co2 levels have been increasing.
Alarmists have produced a lot of propaganda...... and it's worked on you......lol.
Alarmists also have the naive convinced that c02 is a poison....... when actually it's the elixer of life.
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on 21-10-2014 10:08 AM
Try making steel without using coal and producing carbon dioxide.
Are you sure you don't have carbon dioxide confused with carbon monoxide? The stuff that comes from the exhaust of a gasolene engine?
Why does it have to be one or the other, why can't it be both? Still use coal, but Try, as you suggest to supliment that with other viable ways. Solar, Wind, Waterways, Theres energy everywhere waiting to be tapped.
In the mid to late 90s, some California residents were leasing a car called the "EV1" or "EVplus" an all electric car that with a new battery developed by Oshinksky, could go alittle over 100 miles before recharge. Even if all the power to run this car came from coal, it would still be better for the enviroment and cost less to operate than gasolene cars. The leasees loved the car and wanted the option to buy. However as soon as GM won the lawsuit against Californa's air saftey regulatory commision, General Motors recalled the lease and crushed all the cars. They were making more money selling and servicing the gas cars. GM bought controlling intrest of the battery technology and sold it to an oil company who put it on the shelf.
A slow transition to cleaner energy is possible and has been for at least a couple of generations, but not as long as theres money to be made on more destructive energy. The cleaner energy technology will be bought out by corperations and hidden from public knowladge.
As indivisuals, we still have some power to take things into our own hands. One can have solar panels on their roof, convert a gas car to run on electric, or solar if they are so resorcfull. Not to replace the gas car, or electric from a power company, but as an alternitive, to use less gas, or coal. Also, to hopefully improve and advance the technology, there will never be cleaner energy unless there is a demand for it. We should do what we can to create that demand. Other than that there recycling and putting a magnifying glass on any serious polution threats discovered.
on 21-10-2014 10:13 AM
What about the fraudulent scare mongering on Polar bears? exposed as a lie and yes the warmists are still regurgitating it.
Think about all that's been written about "global warming" think about all the so called "scientists" and "economist" who have hitched their reputations to the "Global Warning" wagon.
Think about the stupidist utterance a Prime Minister ever made "the science is settled" (Gillard).
They won't give up in a hurry, after all they have their livelihoods to protect, they will continue their phony war on climate till the death even when the "science" is clearly showing that the planet is cooling.
But wait!! where's the heat gone?? it must be found or we'll all look like fools, "we must come up with an answer, Oh we know, we'll say it's hiding"haw haw haw.
Where's Flannery? the carpetbagger who said "even the rain that falls will not help us" Adelaide will be dry by 2020" "the dams will never fill again" where is he?? and who's still giving HIS climate commission donations to keep him afloat? Maybe he's being paid by his beloved ABC to do another excruciatingly stupid series of 2 men in a boat, yes I'm so glad our taxpayers money is still supporting Flannery even if the real government of the country cast him out for the charlatan is is.
Where are they? why haven't they come out and said anything, I know, they only come out with more BS to justify their existence, to scam more money off the fools who are still giving them money.
Where's all the cs'ers who flocked to donate money? most of them have gone the way of the "biggest moral challenge of our time" most of them have joined Rudd in the great exodus of the pale and foolish.
on 21-10-2014 10:16 AM
Alarmists also have the naive convinced that c02 is a poison....... when actually it's the elixer of life.
Not when theres more of it than oxygen I'm guessing. and again carbon monoxide, is a poison, people have died running their car in a closed garage commiting suicide.
on 21-10-2014 10:22 AM
on 21-10-2014 10:42 AM
Companies in Australia are doing a great job in cleaning up their industries or have cleaned up their industries.
No company in Australia is allowed to pollute no matter what kind it is.
The Greens are now waging war on coal, they want the whole industry shut down, if that happened we would be like India, sitting in the dark starving.
They want to stop all coal exports to India so that the people will continue to sit in the dirt in the dark. They want to sink our country into poverty and starvation, that is the end result of the actions they want to take.
Then we have the "divestment" movement who want to shut down all mining and any other company that doesn't fit in with their socialist green groupthink.
Wake up, we have abundant coal, we are the lucky country, we can help the world drag itself out of the dirt. We can help Africa and it's millions of starving people and the millions who are trying to access western countries to make a go of it,.
Why do you think so many millions are on the move??? hello, we need to help at the coalface, in the very countries these people are leaving, we need to export out cheap coal and expertise to these countries to help them develop their own countries instead of the mass exodus we are seeing now.
We need to help people not shut down the very industries that do. Let the green companies flourish, let the alternative energy companies flourish.
If they can't make it without the billions we pay them then let them stand or demise, no company ever made it on other peoples money and no company ever will.
Does anybody know just how many billions of Australians taxpayers money has been given to these companies? how have they fared and how much energy have they produced?
on 21-10-2014 10:42 AM
@flygal.funfactor wrote:Alarmists also have the naive convinced that c02 is a poison....... when actually it's the elixer of life.
Not when theres more of it than oxygen I'm guessing. and again carbon monoxide, is a poison, people have died running their car in a closed garage commiting suicide.
Do you realise c02 is carbon dioxide....not carbon monoxide?......lol........
on 21-10-2014 11:07 AM
Do you realise c02 is carbon dioxide....not carbon monoxide?
Yes, the stuff that plants breathe, I was pointing out that dioxide isn't the only thing poluting the environment. Also, if there is more dioxide than oxygen and not enough trees to turn it into oxygen due to deforestation we may find ourselves going on the endangered list.
You cut down all the trees to build your houses, pour all the things into the air that pushes out the little oxygen we do have, and what do you think will happen? I'm not sayin everything we hear about global warming is true, i'm sure much of it is exassurated, but I do believe theres something to it, and global warming or not, we should take care of the planet that takes care of us. I mean it's not like we can redally leave and go to another planet capable of supporting us.