I am sorry, I shouldn't have been so harsh

[lal-au0]

now I understand why you blame the victim.

By blaming the victim of "doing something that caused someone else to do harm to them" you can feel safe because you are not doing that thing.

It's a self defense mechanism.

The problem is that it doesn't work that way.

Mindless actions/comments does not change how things are. Burying your head in the sand doesn't make the problem/menace go away.

Ignoring a problem hoping that it will go away if you ignore/deny it hard enough does not work.

It never did and never will.

[the_great_she_elephant]

Oops pushed the wrong buton - sorry.

[softail-joanie]

Huh?, are you addressing anyone in paticular? Color me confused

[icyfroth]

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@lal-au0 wrote:

now I understand why you blame the victim.

By blaming the victim of "doing something that caused someone else to do harm to them" you can feel safe because you are not doing that thing.

It's a self defense mechanism.

The problem is that it doesn't work that way.

Mindless actions/comments does not change how things are. Burying your head in the sand doesn't make the problem/menace go away.

Ignoring a problem hoping that it will go away if you ignore/deny it hard enough does not work.

It never did and never will.

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Wow that's profound!

[youcandoityoucandoityoucandoit]

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@lal-au0 wrote:

now I understand why you blame the victim.

By blaming the victim of "doing something that caused someone else to do harm to them" you can feel safe because you are not doing that thing.

It's a self defense mechanism.

The problem is that it doesn't work that way.

Mindless actions/comments does not change how things are. Burying your head in the sand doesn't make the problem/menace go away.

Ignoring a problem hoping that it will go away if you ignore/deny it hard enough does not work.

It never did and never will.

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Could all be true, but who or what are you talking about? 

[evil_akuma_2002]

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@lal-au0 wrote:

now I understand why you blame the victim.

By blaming the victim of "doing something that caused someone else to do harm to them" you can feel safe because you are not doing that thing.

It's a self defense mechanism.

The problem is that it doesn't work that way.

Ignoring a problem hoping that it will go away if you ignore/deny it hard enough does not work.

It never did and never will.

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All, very deep and meaningful, lal - and very often true. But is this a blanket generalization at the wider society, or are you looking introspectively?

"Mindless actions/comments does not change how things are. Burying your head in the sand doesn't make the problem/menace go away."

Quite possibly the most profound thing you've said!

[the_great_she_elephant]

I presume your OP is in regard to threads and posts discussing the Charlie Hebdo murders. In one of those threads Pepe made a very pertinent comment to the effect that. "If you poke the bear often enough it will bite you." That got me thinking.about something that happened some time ago in Western Australia when, for reasons known only to himself,  a man climbed into the polar bear enclosure at Perth Zoo. The bears promptly killed him.

In the light of the Charlie Hebdo murders this begs several questions.

1) Did the man appreciate what the result of his action was likely to be

Answer: I don't know, he may have been drunk, high on drugs, or just showing off for his mates.

2) Could anyone with half a brain have told him what the likely outcome would be?

Answer Of course they could.

3) If he knewthe likely outcome and went ahead and did it anyway, was he a bloody idiot?

Answer: Absolutely.

4) Did he deserve to die for being a bloody idiot?

Answer: No

5) Were the bears justified in killing him?

Answer: Pointless question; bears do not understand the concept of justification they simply follow their instincts.

Now apply this same logic to Charlie Hebdo

1) Did the victims know that posting grossly offencive cartoons was likely to get them killed?

Answer: Yes. The editor had  even admitted to a fellow cartoonist that he expected to be killed.

2) Could anyone with half a brain have told them what the outcome of their behaviour was likely to be?

Answer: Yes.

3) Were they bloody idiots to go ahead and do it anyway?

Answer: Yes.

4) Did they deserve to die for being bloody idiots.?

Answer: No

5) Were their murderers justified in killing them?

Answer: Of course not, but one suspects the thought processes of the gunmenn  were probably not a great deal more sophisticated than those of the bears.

[*pepe]

The magazine knew they were antagonising irrational violent people who were known to retaliate by slaughtering those who provoked them and any innocents who happen to be in the vicinity, they are terrorists, they kill people, its what they do.

The blood of the dead policeman is on the antagonists hands too.

My head is actually not buried in the sand, I am well aware these extremists are trying to eradicate anyone who stands in their way of opposing their will on the rest of the word.

I am well aware they need to be stopped, no reasonably intelligent person would think ignoring them is going to make them go away, I realise you think your intelligence is far superior to mine, but my opinion is that no reasonably intelligent person would think that provoking them by mocking their beliefs and idols is going to help.

I don't profess to have the answers, I just know that charlie has done nothing towards raising awareness or helping the situation by publishing what they do, yet they are continuing to do it.

There is a saying - insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results.

That is charlie.

[lal-au0]

bears are animals and not even intelligent enough to recognise themselves in a mirror.

from human beings ( and i reply to pepe here too) you can expect a minimum civilised behaviour such as: not killing someone else just because you feel like it. if a human being does so he/she (but usually it's a he) is considered mentally ill.

now, do we bow to mentally ill people and do as they demand?

i don't think so.

also it raises the question if mentally illness is more prevalent in muslims (maybe because they keep marrying their 1st grade cousins?) or if it has something to do with what their book teaches and is not a mental illness.

i would like you (ALL of you) to sacrifice 25 minutes to watch this please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rjdO4cfeEg&spfreload=10

[*pepe]

i don't believe the extremists are mentally ill so much as brainwashed.

I have not once said we should bow down to them and give them what they demand, I thought I had been clear in saying they need to be stopped.

I have said its not wise or necessary to provoke them. by mocking their beliefs and idols in such an offensive manner.