on 30-05-2013 07:34 AM
Adam Goodes has copped it twice this week - once from a kid and then by an adult who should know better.
I feel so ashamed of this country at this moment. I am sick of hearing a sentence start with "I am not racist but..." before the person launches into a race based attack on indigenous people (or Asians. Or Muslims).
What I have found the most interesting about the Goodes incident is how many people made excuses that made him look like the antagonist. Almost as if making racist remarks about indigenous people is no big deal. Treating him as if his feelings, his views (and everything about him) is unimportant. And I am staggered at how many people know so little about the history of racism a history that so many generations of indigenous people have had to go through.
And now Eddie Mcquire has shown us that racist comments against indigenous people is lurking just on the tips of our tongues waiting to be blurted out without refrain.
I can't help but agree with this: One of the most savage responses to McGuire came from Magpies backman Harry O'Brien, who admonished his president, declaring he was ''extremely disappointed''. ''In my opinion race relations in this country is systematically a national disgrace,'' he said.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/eddie-offers-to-stand-aside-20130529-2nc63.html
I agree with that last line - it is a national disgrace.
on 31-05-2013 09:44 PM
Some things are a given am
As I said I am not trying to win an argument or discussion, just putting a few of my views out there.
Twist and turn as you like.
some people are scared of not being politically correct.
sad really
on 31-05-2013 09:46 PM
My strong views are helping those in need am, hope that is clear in my posts.
The whole boat people illegal arrivals issue is a sham, the most in need cannot afford to get on a boat because they don't have a rich cousin in australia lol
I would rather the Government fly people in that were more in need. Probably save us a fortune.
As for stopping the boats and sending them back to Indonesia, it is a complete joke.
on 31-05-2013 09:48 PM
And do you seriously think we don't have 'genuine' refugees? Putting aside the fact that the ones getting on a boat are overwhelmingly found to be 'genuine', do you not know that we also accept (by plane) OTHER 'genuine' refugees??
Did you know that not one single refugee or asylum seeker that has arrived by boat has ever been accused of far less convicted of terrorism?
on 31-05-2013 09:54 PM
My strong views are helping those in need am, hope that is clear in my posts.
The whole boat people illegal arrivals issue is a sham, the most in need cannot afford to get on a boat because they don't have a rich cousin in australia lol
I would rather the Government fly people in that were more in need. Probably save us a fortune.
As for stopping the boats and sending them back to Indonesia, it is a complete joke.
Continuing the discussion, how do we select these refugees?
How do we choose which one is more deserving than another?
If they don't have any papers, how are they selected?
It is not illegal to seek asylum in Australia, even if you do arrive by boat.
on 31-05-2013 09:55 PM
on 31-05-2013 09:59 PM
For bob and cue -
I have said continuously on this and the other thread that this isn't about what a 13 year old, knowingly or not, said. The issue is beyond whether a young girl said something offensive or racist.
So feel free to change what you said when your arguments don't hold up :
"But to say it's OK to call a black man an ape after understanding their history of being categorised as apes because they were thought to be sub-human and not see that there could be an issue there is "seriously wrong".
You obviously do think the word Ape can only be about race.
Again you're confusing the discrimination of aborigines in general with this incident which IT ISN"T. Don't cloud your judgement.
I would like to take you back to my opening post:
What I have found the most interesting about the Goodes incident is how many people made excuses that made him look like the antagonist. Almost as if making racist remarks about indigenous people is no big deal. Treating him as if his feelings, his views (and everything about him) is unimportant. And I am staggered at how many people know so little about the history of racism a history that so many generations of indigenous people have had to go through.
NO, no no no no. Just coz' Goodes found it racist doesn't mean that the intent was to racially attack him. The intent was to abuse him for being so hairy. You give that girl so much credit that she should know about the history of racism.
What BOTH incidence highlight is how little respect we give our indigenous people in this country.
What the first incident highlight is we jump to conclusion. Eddy I can see screwed up.
Would we laugh or sneer at a Jewish person who had been at the end of a racial (knowingly or not) comment? Would we tell a disabled person to grow up or chant 'sticks and stones...'?
There's where you don't get it. Anything can be offensive. Do you never have any misunderstand between your family? Supposely I bring up mars bars, not knowing the history of this mom who lossed her son thru a peanut allergy. She can take offense, but doesn't follow the intent was there to hurt her. Supposely I said Jane who's a Jew has a great oven and she takes that to mean her parents were suffocated in the holocaust.
You're again putting up straw mans saying that people should be allow to be insulted. No one is saying that so stop arguing against points never made.
It's an example of a much larger indifference we have to our indigenous people.
See you're clouding your judgement and arguing an entire separate issue. Do indigenous people get abused racially and mistreated in society. Sure they do. This is not what you're arguing. You keep confusing yourself with what I consider a misunderstanding.
on 31-05-2013 10:02 PM
Continuing the discussion, how do we select these refugees?
How do we choose which one is more deserving than another?
If they don't have any papers, how are they selected?
It is not illegal to seek asylum in Australia, even if you do arrive by boat.
It would be better if they didn't get on boats wouldn't it?
Africa might be a good place to start, anyone that can afford to get on a boat is in a better position than someone who cannot, I think our sympathies and generosity needs to be extended to those more needy.
on 31-05-2013 10:24 PM
ok, I repect your opinion, but why Africa rather than Thailand for example? Why not the karen refugees who have been forced to flee Burma? They can't go back to burma, nor can they travel any firther into Thailand as they have no papers.
So how do you choose who is more deserving than another?
The boats will still come, but what happens to these people when we turn them back? what then? what happens to them?
We just can't save everyone, we can't help everyone, so how do we choose who we want to save? How do we choose which human being we value more than another?
So I can understand why we wait and help the ones who do happen to make it here. I do understand that. Because in my mind, to choose who lives and who dies is akin to playing God.
on 31-05-2013 10:30 PM
on 31-05-2013 11:08 PM