I don't like Welfare bludgers

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[punch*drunk]

Surely no one posting here in receiving fraudulent welfare benefits.  

I wouldnt be too sure about that. Ebay has been a great way for people on welfare to make some extra cash on the side. Every year when ebay reports turnover to the ATO there are lots of shocked people asking for advice on the boards and claiming their $50,000 a year business is just a hobby.

[dwilke33]

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@punch*drunk wrote:

Surely no one posting here in receiving fraudulent welfare benefits.  

I wouldnt be too sure about that. Ebay has been a great way for people on welfare to make some extra cash on the side. Every year when ebay reports turnover to the ATO there are lots of shocked people asking for advice on the boards and claiming their $50,000 a year business is just a hobby.

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punch, That may very well be true....I don't know for sure one way or the other.  But, I do know that you can only claim income as a hobby for...what....2 years?

[punch*drunk]

I dont know what the time limit is but many of the people claiming hobby were buying to resell which wouldnt be likely to be considered a hobby. A friend of mine did folk art for a while and while she was pretty small scale she declared it as a hobby, but the business grew to the point where she couldnt.

I believe even if you want to claim income as a hobby you would have to run it by the ATO first. They are the ones that decide hobby or business.

[evil_akuma_2002]

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@gleee58 wrote:

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What is that all about?

Where did I say anything about your 30 years of service?

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Gleee - did you not embolden my text below, indicating that you took issue with it?

"Sadly, they find a way. I've spent the best part of 30 years, working with chronically long-term unemployed and the disabled,, and there are so many blatant incidences of people deliberately sabotaging interviews, set up by their employment consultants, purposely angling to be fired, should they actually be accepted, or those on disability payments seeking out GP's who will support their ongoing injury/illness claims, it's scary!"

Then follow it with the following comments?

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These people are the minority though. They're not the majority of job seeker, either with or without income support payments.  

Sadly, some people believe they're worthless and not deserving of a good life and self sabotage, some are just screwed up mentally, some have chronic pain, panic attacks, illiteracy, they're all different and not all deliberately at fault.  Welfare is a worn out and run down all the time type of lifestyle that some people accept as "their lot in life".    To me it sounds like a terrible lifestyle.

I'm sorry, but I took it as a rejection/disbelief of what I'd been saying, after 30 years in the field, assisting long-term unemployed and those on DSP.  You're right, in that not all are deliberately at fault, but there's a very large percentage of them that are. So if your post was not derisory, I apologize.

Figures? Natuarally, there are no government figures, because those sabotaging the sysytem to remain on benefits are'nt likely to admit to it, are they? Any figures released by authorities would at best, only be able to factor in those actually caught at the game - so represent a portion far smaller than actual numbers.

The short-term unemployed? Completely different scenario. Most of them are truly eager to re-enter the workforce, as are many legitimate claimants of the DSP.

I think that if you were to ask any JSA or DES member, how much of their long-term client base were chronic system abusers, you just might be in for a little surprise!

[gleee58]

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@evil_akuma_2002 wrote:

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@gleee58 wrote:

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What is that all about?

Where did I say anything about your 30 years of service?

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Gleee - did you not embolden my text below, indicating that you took issue with it?

"Sadly, they find a way. I've spent the best part of 30 years, working with chronically long-term unemployed and the disabled,, and there are so many blatant incidences of people deliberately sabotaging interviews, set up by their employment consultants, purposely angling to be fired, should they actually be accepted, or those on disability payments seeking out GP's who will support their ongoing injury/illness claims, it's scary!"

Then follow it with the following comments?

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These people are the minority though. They're not the majority of job seeker, either with or without income support payments.  

Sadly, some people believe they're worthless and not deserving of a good life and self sabotage, some are just screwed up mentally, some have chronic pain, panic attacks, illiteracy, they're all different and not all deliberately at fault.  Welfare is a worn out and run down all the time type of lifestyle that some people accept as "their lot in life".    To me it sounds like a terrible lifestyle.

I'm sorry, but I took it as a rejection/disbelief of what I'd been saying, after 30 years in the field, assisting long-term unemployed and those on DSP.  You're right, in that not all are deliberately at fault, but there's a very large percentage of them that are. So if your post was not derisory, I apologize.

Figures? Natuarally, there are no government figures, because those sabotaging the sysytem to remain on benefits are'nt likely to admit to it, are they? Any figures released by authorities would at best, only be able to factor in those actually caught at the game - so represent a portion far smaller than actual numbers.

The short-term unemployed? Completely different scenario. Most of them are truly eager to re-enter the workforce, as are many legitimate claimants of the DSP.

I think that if you were to ask any JSA or DES member, how much of their long-term client base were chronic system abusers, you just might be in for a little surprise!

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Of course it wasn't.  You said you worked with chronically long term unemployed and I said these people are in the minority. They're not the majority of job seekers, which they are not.  

And no, you do not know of what experiences I've had in my working life so don't assume I know nothing of the system.

Do you ever wonder why some of those people you call system abusers are long term welfare clients?  They're not all "system abusers" through conscious choice.  Some have lost all sense of self worth, if they had any to begin with.  It's not an easy fix and takes more than a bossy JSA provider to find a solution.   Some need therapy to reprogram their expectations and to develop a new outlook where they can see themselves as deserving a place in society above the bottom rung kicking bag position that they've become accustomed to.

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@evil_akuma_2002 wrote:

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@gleee58 wrote:

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What is that all about?

Where did I say anything about your 30 years of service?

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Gleee - did you not embolden my text below, indicating that you took issue with it?

"Sadly, they find a way. I've spent the best part of 30 years, working with chronically long-term unemployed and the disabled,, and there are so many blatant incidences of people deliberately sabotaging interviews, set up by their employment consultants, purposely angling to be fired, should they actually be accepted, or those on disability payments seeking out GP's who will support their ongoing injury/illness claims, it's scary!"

Then follow it with the following comments?

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These people are the minority though. They're not the majority of job seeker, either with or without income support payments.  

Sadly, some people believe they're worthless and not deserving of a good life and self sabotage, some are just screwed up mentally, some have chronic pain, panic attacks, illiteracy, they're all different and not all deliberately at fault.  Welfare is a worn out and run down all the time type of lifestyle that some people accept as "their lot in life".    To me it sounds like a terrible lifestyle.

I'm sorry, but I took it as a rejection/disbelief of what I'd been saying, after 30 years in the field, assisting long-term unemployed and those on DSP.  You're right, in that not all are deliberately at fault, but there's a very large percentage of them that are. So if your post was not derisory, I apologize.

Figures? Natuarally, there are no government figures, because those sabotaging the sysytem to remain on benefits are'nt likely to admit to it, are they? Any figures released by authorities would at best, only be able to factor in those actually caught at the game - so represent a portion far smaller than actual numbers.

The short-term unemployed? Completely different scenario. Most of them are truly eager to re-enter the workforce, as are many legitimate claimants of the DSP.

I think that if you were to ask any JSA or DES member, how much of their long-term client base were chronic system abusers, you just might be in for a little surprise!

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If your work is with the long term unemployed, wouldn't you be responsible for those figures produced by the gov?

If the figures show a minority of people are rorting the system, wouldn't that be a result of your work?

You seem to be sharing your opinion of long term unemployed rather than what you are able to prove on the job.

If you believe everyone is guilty, or the majority is guilty... how do you treat them?

If you believe that the majority of people are guilty, yet you are unable to prove it....

................. wouldn't that make centrelink employees incompetant?

[polksaladallie]

There are figures.  The figure hovers around 6% of those receiving some sort of taxpayer-funded welfare.

[punch*drunk]

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@polksaladallie wrote:

There are figures.  The figure hovers around 6% of those receiving some sort of taxpayer-funded welfare.

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How do they arrive at those figures? I assume they arent including the people I know that are rorting the system otherwise they would have stopped funding them by now.

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@punch*drunk wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

There are figures.  The figure hovers around 6% of those receiving some sort of taxpayer-funded welfare.

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How do they arrive at those figures? I assume they arent including the people I know that are rorting the system otherwise they would have stopped funding them by now.

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  There must be centrelink offices full of incompetant workers.

  And we pay their wages.

[polksaladallie]

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@punch*drunk wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

There are figures.  The figure hovers around 6% of those receiving some sort of taxpayer-funded welfare.

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How do they arrive at those figures? I assume they arent including the people I know that are rorting the system otherwise they would have stopped funding them by now.

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Have you reported them?   Because that is your duty as a citizen.

To report a suspected fraud, fill out the Centrelink reporting fraud form, call the Australian Government Services Fraud Tip-off Line on 131 524 or visit a Centrelink Service Centre near you.

http://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/information/fraud-and-security