I wanna know........

[cueperkins]

WTF.....happened to Australian Spirit?....

What do you think....are we roooooned?  Does anyone have the same sense of 'existential dread', that I'm feeling lately for the future of Australia?........?  Lib Labor..doesn't matter, they BOTH don't get it I reckon.

What do you think?

[karliandjacko]

crikey the thing wrong with your think is, when there is no one left with a job where is the money going to come from to but any thing regardless of where it comes from.

People need jobs and they need to work, its as simple as that. and when I say need to work I am not just talking about for money.

People do have to be willing to change though.

There are jobs that become obsolete and disappear and people have to accept that.

There are also more and more different and new jobs being invented all the time and they have to be willing to embrace the new if they wish to remain relevant and employed.

[cueperkins]

and hawk, the roof over my head is mine, can travel anywhere i want, eat what i want, dont owe a cent to anybody, could buy a new set of wheels if want!!

..and most importantly i am spiritually rich! what more could a man want or the need to gamble?

Good for you Joz...though it's not everyone's fortune....I know you're spiritually rich....ya love music....and that's where we happen to meet...

John Lennon 'Imagine'...... "Nothing to kill or die for"...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLgYAHHkPFs

As if right?......our generation actually believed it was possible...imagine our generation with internet back then? we would have killed it......ballistic.......Aussie Spirit kicking Bottom cheeks...cause I can't say A*se.

*sob*  I miss the  times when we believed in what we were doing...it wasn't puddle jumping for the superficial....follow me on faceache, like me on twoddle BS....we just lived it didn't we?  *sigh*......

[*crikey*mate*]

So....do you know lots of farmers?...some of us in Rural oz certainly do...they'd do anything to be General Motors Holden....lol  Lots of money in Cars....absolutely none in Aussie food though apparently...anyway.  Not having a go crikey...just replying.

Can't avoid the obvious

ummm, I guess I don't know a lot of farmers, but I know a farming community and I know a  multi generational family whose roots started in timber and logging and diversified into dairy and beef cattle. They have evolved again over the last 40 years. They still have the cattle properties and dairy farms, but they have expanded their enterprise much wider than that and now enter the market at a time, place and price and in a way that they believe is worthwhile.

I don't understand what the rest of your post is about, I'm sorry.

A lot of people would do many things (I'm not sure about anything) to be someone else or to have something which they don't have. But at the end of the day, if they keep doing the same things that they've been doing in the past and they're no closer to realizing their ambitions, the liklihood of it ever happening is prettyb slim.

Waiting around for it to be handed to you is unlikely to help either, so you have to assess the situation and move forward in a direction that you do want to go - not hang onto the past. Sometimes what we WANT to do isn't what we HAVE to do, to achieve what we want.

If so many people really wanted this land they're selling to whomever you said, we've had 200 odd years, how come no one has done anything with it so far?

[*crikey*mate*]

Good luck to you and yours Crikey, I think you will be needing a lot of it.

Thank you, but just as I am sure that luck had  very much to do with your future or current situation, I too am planning carefully and listening to what the global demands and trends are and focusing on adapting to and training for those demands in an effort for me and mine to be able to meet them.

I'd give anything to even go back to the days of my childhood sitting on the verandah  with my grandpa eating apples or mustering or milking cattle with him and going home at the end of the day to my grandma's cooking, but times have changed and times will continue to change at a faster rate than ever before.

So we either evolve with the times, or get left behind. What's that song? Nostalgia ain't what it used to be?

[*crikey*mate*]

*much = little* ^^^

[*crikey*mate*]

and hawk, the roof over my head is mine, can travel anywhere i want, eat what i want, dont owe a cent to anybody, could buy a new set of wheels if want!!

..and most importantly i am spiritually rich! what more could a man want or the need to gamble?

someone to keep ya warm on a Friday night....

*cheeky grin*

[*crikey*mate*]

Can't find anything to disagree with there......I like your braincells topsy......Australians need to be inspired...let's not hold our breath though shall we?....Not good for the health

Yes, Australians do need to be inspired, with that I agree.

If they can't have what they want, then they need to adapt and chase after what they can have.

[cueperkins]

No offense Crikey, but I think you just don't get it...they don't WANT the land, they OWN IT....but they're being screwed by major supermarket chains for bottom dollar....sorry mate, no offense, but I don't have the time or energy to educate you on our DYING manufacturing and farming industries...you need to do your OWN research on the issue.

The only two PM's who ever campaigned to BUY BACK THE FARM, were Fischer at the turn of the century and Whitlam who wanted to nationalist the mining industry to make Australia independently Rich and provide thousands of jobs for decades....What an idiot eh?  He was subverted by an LNP Govt at the time...anyway.....and now we're NOT independently rich....but hey...why would anyone my age be noticing that kind of unpopular history?

Just goes to show ya how long they've been SELLING THE FARM though !!! 

If they sell Australian land for a food bowl owned by someone else (not unlike mining)....all the profit will go offshore, and our.farmers and 'grass roots jobs' will be lost...then surely we'll never be able to own our own resources, and the world will get rich off OUR BACKS....bugga the sheep....what a bleeeeeetin shame...!!!  PLEEEEEEASE...what the hell happened to Aussie Spirit?  baaaaaaaahhhhhh

[debra9275]

Hi Cue, good to see you're still here.

[*crikey*mate*]

Australia grew up on the sheep's back, but Australians simply don't want to ride the sheep any more. (generally speaking)

The fact is people can't afford to live off casual and seasonal work.

Farmers can't afford to pay for permanent staff and bring in 456 visa people and backpackers for the seasonal work. There are people who want to work in farming but they need to survive and raise their families which limits their choices.

so they need to find a different sheep to ride.

If farming is not sustainable for them, why pursue it and prepare another generation to enter into it?

I do agree with what you are saying though, Australian wages and working conditions are high, and this does make it difficult to employ the number of staff that you would like/need - but is this the Government's fault? or si this the flipside of the coin of all the Unions movements etc demanding the exact conditions that we have?

Again, the Australian worker (in general) is just not prepared to enter the "market" at the price that is offered. They don't want to work 12 hour days in the stinking hot sun and not have a coffee break every 2 hours. They want paid parental leave, baby bonuses, leave loading, superanuation, holiday pay and a 38 hour week. All that comes at a price.