on 15-11-2015 08:49 AM
Religious institutions (of all flavours) pay no income tax
20% of australians identify as "no religion'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Australia
Why should taxpayers pay for royal commissions and terrorism responses when the institutions and their beliefs (whether or
not those beliefs are mispercieved or misinterpreted by the worshipper ) that cause the cost are not required to contribute?
Why should local council ratepayers subsidize private institutions that are among the wealthiest on Earth?
on 15-11-2015 09:49 AM
an example
In 2004 the Rationalist Society of Australia commissioned Victoria University Graduate School of Business to investigate religious tax privileges. Their findings indicated religious organisations enjoy tax benefits of some 2 to 3% of total assets.
Rationalist Society spokesman at the time, Peter Dumble, said the studies showed a need for much greater disclosure and transparency of church accounts and for a clear separation of church entities, such as commercial and welfare agencies.
"There are significant tax concessions and other financial benefits that churches have over other organisations solely because they believe in a deity," Mr Dumble said.
"They use their commercial benefits to cross-subsidise welfare, but is all of it devoted to welfare?
What else is it spent on?" he asked.
"On many buildings they don't pay land tax. If they build a private hospital wing they don't pay the same taxes. They don't pay rates, not just on church buildings but on commercial buildings they own."
Mr Dumble said the Rationalist Society did not necessarily want exemptions scrapped, but demanded greater transparency.
And it was concerned that exemptions applied not just to mainstream religions but sects such as the Church of Scientology.
Rather than attempting to quantify the amount of tax benefits enjoyed by existing churches (the data are hard to find and are probably under-reported anyway), the investigation by Victoria University's Graduate School of Business took a different tack.
The study team looked at what tax benefits might be achieved by a newly establishing church – the New Universal Church (NUC) – assuming it had $10 billion of foundational funding.
The NUC’s structure and associated services were modelled on the Catholic and Anglican churches.
The Brotherhood of St Laurence and the St Vincent de Paul Society provided models for welfare services; Mercy Health and Ramsay Health for health services; and Catholic primary and secondary schools and universities provided the models for education facilities.
Commercial operations and investments would be set up under an Investment Committee charged with maximising return on surplus funds, under the control of the NUC governing board.
Day to day investment decisions would be outsourced to professionals.
As a start-up church, a presence in each of the major geographical areas of Victoria was assumed.
New church buildings, centres for welfare operations, and new schools would be co-located in inner city Melbourne, each metropolitan growth corridor, and each major regional city.
The ageing demographic profile in Australia suggested a growing focus on aged care facilities to generate sustainable income.
The initial investment in such facilities could be recovered quickly from accommodation bonds and aged care facilities attract significant government funding.
Tax benefits available for non-profit organisations, charities, public benevolent institutions and health promotion charities could be utilised by the newly forming NUC.
These benefits include concessions or exemptions from income tax, GST, FBT, various state government taxes, land tax, payroll tax and local government taxes.
The initial asset allocation suggested by the study team was biased to commercial operations and investments because of the time needed to acquire necessary approvals and then build and operate health, welfare and educational facilities.
Over time however (say, 10 years), investment in aged care facilities would increase significantly, from an initial 3% to 15% of total assets.
To maximise return on assets and generate positive cash flows from health care, education and commercial operations, the study team recommended the following initial asset allocation:
Churches | $43.5 million | 0.4% |
Welfare operations | $5.1 million | 0.1% |
Primary education | $118.7 million | 1.2% |
Secondary education | $291.8 million | 2.9% |
Tertiary education | $244.8 million | 2.4% |
Health / aged care facilities | $301.6 million | 3% |
Commercial / investments | $8,994.4 million | 89.9% |
TOTAL PROJECT FUNDING | $10 billion | 100% |
Using this asset allocation, the model suggested total tax benefits of some $261 million over the first few years of the NUC's operation.
This represents 2.6% of total assets.
The Catholic Church in Australia reputedly owns $100 billion worth of properties and other assets; and makes $15 billion a year from its education, health and welfare businesses.
All of its investment earnings are tax-free; it pays no rates on its properties, nor land tax, and there is no capital gains tax on the sale of its assets.
Using the study team’s modelling, the amount of tax forgone would be 10 times that of the NUC – ie, about $2.6 billion.
on 15-11-2015 10:10 AM
Rather than picking on tithing/tything, collection plates as a fundraising source
... let's a have a little good ole aussie Zakat
http://zakatfund.com.au/zakatinislam
(autralian site with paypal and dd links
What is Zakat?:
Zakat is one of the five pillars of Islam. It has been mentioned, along with daily Prayers (Salaat), over seventy times in the Quran. Allah's word commanding ".....and establish regular Salaat and give regular Zakat....." are referred to in many parts of the Quran. From this we can conclude that after Salaat, Zakat is the most important act in Islam.
Just as Salaat is the most important act of worship which has to be performed bodily, so is Zakat the main act of worship which has to be performed monetarily.
Those who fulfill this duty have been promised abundant reward in this world and hereafter. Whoever evades Zakat has been sternly warned in the Qur'an and Hadith of the consequences.
Linguistically, Zakat has two meanings: purification and growth.
Technically, it means to purify one's possession of wealth by distributing a prescribed amount to the poor, the indigent, the slaves or captives, and the wayfarer.
4. (The revenue) should be spent in the real interests of the ummah; nothing of it should be spent in acts of disobedience towards Allah or anything that is not in their interests, such as money that is spent on actors, artists and sports players.
Shaykh Ibn Jibreen (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
With regard to paying the taxes imposed by governments, such as sales tax, income tax, taxes on industry and on workers, and so on, this is a matter that is subject to ijtihaad.
If the state collects taxes instead of the obligatory zakaah that merchants and the like should pay, then it must be paid. If it collects taxes in addition to zakaah, but the bayt al-maal needs to finance essential interests such as schools, bridges and mosques, and to pay civil servants, it is permissible to pay it and it is not permissible to withhold it.
But if the state takes taxes from its citizens other than zakaah, and wastes it on extravagance, corruption, idle leisure and other haraam things, and it does not spend it on legitimate interests, such as those who are entitled to zakaah, then it is permissible to conceal wealth and profits so as not to give them haraam wealth and help them in doing haraam things.
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “but do not help one another in sin and transgression” [al-Maa’idah 5:3]. End quote.
on 15-11-2015 10:11 AM
@colic2bullsgirlore wrote:an example
In 2004 the Rationalist Society of Australia commissioned Victoria University Graduate School of Business to investigate religious tax privileges. Their findings indicated religious organisations enjoy tax benefits of some 2 to 3% of total assets.
Rationalist Society spokesman at the time, Peter Dumble, said the studies showed a need for much greater disclosure and transparency of church accounts and for a clear separation of church entities, such as commercial and welfare agencies.
"There are significant tax concessions and other financial benefits that churches have over other organisations solely because they believe in a deity," Mr Dumble said.
"They use their commercial benefits to cross-subsidise welfare, but is all of it devoted to welfare?
What else is it spent on?" he asked.
"On many buildings they don't pay land tax. If they build a private hospital wing they don't pay the same taxes. They don't pay rates, not just on church buildings but on commercial buildings they own."
Mr Dumble said the Rationalist Society did not necessarily want exemptions scrapped, but demanded greater transparency.
And it was concerned that exemptions applied not just to mainstream religions but sects such as the Church of Scientology.
The Study
Rather than attempting to quantify the amount of tax benefits enjoyed by existing churches (the data are hard to find and are probably under-reported anyway), the investigation by Victoria University's Graduate School of Business took a different tack.
The study team looked at what tax benefits might be achieved by a newly establishing church – the New Universal Church (NUC) – assuming it had $10 billion of foundational funding.
The NUC’s structure and associated services were modelled on the Catholic and Anglican churches.
The Brotherhood of St Laurence and the St Vincent de Paul Society provided models for welfare services; Mercy Health and Ramsay Health for health services; and Catholic primary and secondary schools and universities provided the models for education facilities.
Commercial operations and investments would be set up under an Investment Committee charged with maximising return on surplus funds, under the control of the NUC governing board.
Day to day investment decisions would be outsourced to professionals.
As a start-up church, a presence in each of the major geographical areas of Victoria was assumed.
New church buildings, centres for welfare operations, and new schools would be co-located in inner city Melbourne, each metropolitan growth corridor, and each major regional city.
The ageing demographic profile in Australia suggested a growing focus on aged care facilities to generate sustainable income.
The initial investment in such facilities could be recovered quickly from accommodation bonds and aged care facilities attract significant government funding.
Tax benefits available for non-profit organisations, charities, public benevolent institutions and health promotion charities could be utilised by the newly forming NUC.
These benefits include concessions or exemptions from income tax, GST, FBT, various state government taxes, land tax, payroll tax and local government taxes.
The initial asset allocation suggested by the study team was biased to commercial operations and investments because of the time needed to acquire necessary approvals and then build and operate health, welfare and educational facilities.
Over time however (say, 10 years), investment in aged care facilities would increase significantly, from an initial 3% to 15% of total assets.
To maximise return on assets and generate positive cash flows from health care, education and commercial operations, the study team recommended the following initial asset allocation:
Churches $43.5 million 0.4% Welfare operations $5.1 million 0.1% Primary education $118.7 million 1.2% Secondary education $291.8 million 2.9% Tertiary education $244.8 million 2.4% Health / aged care facilities $301.6 million 3% Commercial / investments $8,994.4 million 89.9% TOTAL PROJECT FUNDING $10 billion 100%
Using this asset allocation, the model suggested total tax benefits of some $261 million over the first few years of the NUC's operation.
This represents 2.6% of total assets.
The Catholic Church in Australia reputedly owns $100 billion worth of properties and other assets; and makes $15 billion a year from its education, health and welfare businesses.
All of its investment earnings are tax-free; it pays no rates on its properties, nor land tax, and there is no capital gains tax on the sale of its assets.
Using the study team’s modelling, the amount of tax forgone would be 10 times that of the NUC – ie, about $2.6 billion.
What would it cost the taxpayer if the Government had to provide these services?
on 15-11-2015 10:35 AM
@azureline** wrote:What would it cost the taxpayer if the Government had to provide these services?
Don't you mean how much does it cost the taxpayer each year to subsidize Non Government Schools?
Given that the school fees charged by the churches is generally much larger than any public schools I think with the tax
gleaned the australian taxpayer would be miles in in front.
Same for aged care Uniting, Catholic or whatever..........
However that is not the question I pondered
Why do religious organizations not pay tax???
Any ideas?
on 15-11-2015 10:44 AM
on 15-11-2015 10:48 AM
As an example the Catholic Church MAKES $15 billioneronies a year from Health, education and welfare...that's a lot of crackers and wine
.... makes money out of welfare??....
if it was an individual it could be christened a dole rorter..and have a reality show on telly
The Catholic Church in Australia reputedly owns $100 billion worth of properties and other assets; and makes $15 billion a year from its education, health and welfare businesses.
http://blogs.theage.com.au/business/executivestyle/managementline/archives/brw2906p042-046.pdf
If the Catholic Church were a corporation, it would be one of the top five in the country.
OnBRW’s list of the top 200 not-for-profit organisations, the Catholic Church has four operations in the top 10, nine in the top 20 and 16 in the top 50. The Catholic Church in Australia is believed to own assets worth more than $100 billion.
It is the largest property owner in Australia and owns schools, hospitals, parishes and land in prime locations across the country.
The next in size is the Uniting Church, which snaffled 11% of the revenue of the top 200 not-for-profits in Australia, or $2.4 billion.
These businesses are predominantly schools and health services.
on 15-11-2015 11:18 AM
on 15-11-2015 11:46 AM
Gold, Gold and Shares
(it is easier to find info on the Catholic Church.. my posts are not designed to single out any flavour for "attack" )
http://humansarefree.com/2012/03/christian-church-is-biggest-financial.html
The Catholic church, once all her assets have been put together, is the most formidable stockbroker in the world. The Vatican, independently of each successive pope, has been increasingly orientated towards the U.S.
The Wall Street Journal said that the Vatican’s financial deals in the U.S. alone were so big that very often it sold or bought gold in lots of a million or more dollars at one time.”
“The Vatican’s treasure of solid gold has been estimated by the United Nations World Magazine to amount to several billion dollars.
A large bulk of this is stored in gold ingots with the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank, while banks in England and Switzerland hold the rest.
“But this is just a small portion of the wealth of the Vatican, which in the U.S. alone, is greater than that of the five wealthiest giant corporations of the country. When to that is added all the real estate, property, stocks and shares abroad, then the staggering accumulation of the wealth of the Catholic church becomes so formidable as to defy any rational assessment.
Our best window into the overall financial picture of American Catholicism comes from a 2012 investigation by the Economist, which offered a rough-and-ready estimate of $170 billion in annual spending, of which almost $150 billion is associated with church-affiliated hospitals and institutions of higher education.
The operating budget for ordinary parishes, at around $11 billion a year, is a relatively small share, and Catholic Charities is a smaller share still.
Apple and General Motors, by way of comparison, each had revenue of about $150 billion worldwide in Fiscal Year 2012.
Legally speaking, there is no such thing as “the Catholic Church,” which is why these finances get so complicated. As far as the law is concerned, each diocese is a separate legal entity, incorporated in the states where it operates.
Generally speaking, they are organized as what’s known as a corporation sole—a legal corporation wholly controlled by the individual bishop rather than a board of directors—and not officially part of any larger transnational spiritual organization.
This has led to conflicts during the sex abuse scandals. Lawsuits have caused disputes about how deep the church’s pockets go and who should pay.
on 15-11-2015 12:08 PM
Did ya eat your weetbix this morning?
I wonder how much Sanitarium's p[rofit was last year?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanitarium_Health_and_Wellbeing_Company
Tax exemption
Neither the Australia nor the New Zealand Sanitarium companies pay company tax on their profits, due to their ownership by a religious organisation.
On their official website Sanitarium defend their tax exemption with several points, stating they operate exclusively for charitable purposes, and that income tax exemptions are available to all companies and individuals in New Zealand who limit themselves to charitable purposes.
However, the exemption has been criticised and is considered unfair by their competitors.