Islam is a political doctrine not a religion!

[ufo_investigations]

Watch this:

Dr.Bill Warner - A Taste of Islam

[the_great_she_elephant]

In Shi'a Islam, taqiyya is a form of religious dissimulation,[1] or a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny his faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are in fear or at risk of significant persecution.[2] The corresponding concept in Sunni Islam is known as idtirar (إضطرار) "coercion". A related concept is known as kitman "concealment; dissimulation by omission". Also related is the concept of ḥiyal, legalistic deception practiced not necessarily in a religious context but to gain political or legalistic advantage.

This practice was emphasized in Shi'a Islam whereby adherents may conceal their religion when they are under threat, persecution, or compulsion.[3] Taqiyya was developed to protect Shi'ites who were usually in minority and under pressure, and Shi'a Muslims as the persecuted minority have taken recourse to dissimulation from the time of the mihna (persecution) under Al-Ma'mun in the 9th century, while the politically dominant Sunnites rarely found it necessary to resort to dissimulation.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

“To save life, honour. Or property (either one’s own or of other believers) by hiding one’s belief or religion”.

http://www.shiacrescent.com/2009/07/25/taqiyya-as-viewed-by-the-qur%E2%80%99an-and-sunnah/

[iapetus_rocks]

Don't forget that in your second link, (or from any source which promotes the cause of Islam), that taqiyya may be used to advance the cause of Islam. . . .  they might be lying.

I am not going to post all the definitons of, and sources, which describe the doctrine of  taqiyya here. Interested people can do the research for themselves.

It is enough to understand that the doctrine of taqiyya exists. and that it is official Islamic doctrine.

One of the functions of taqiyya is to preserve and promote the cause of Islam and therefore, in response to anyone who is critical of Islam, some Muslims may find cause and justification to resort to this particular Koranic doctrine.

[iapetus_rocks]

From your second link . . .

“Taqiyya is allowed in matters related to manifestation of friendship or enmity; and it is also allowed in matters connected to professing (their) reli­gion."

[iapetus_rocks]

So, because  taqiyya . . . "is also allowed in matters connected to professing (their) reli­gion." . . . 

it is not a reliable excercise to  . . . "one day to go out and have some in depth discussions with a few practising Muslims to find out what they actually believe and what principles they actually live by, 

Because we have no way of determining  whether or not they are engaging in the Koranic doctrine of lying to us.

Verily, the devil is in the detail, is it not? 😉

[iapetus_rocks]

"So, has anyone else actually watched the complete video from the OP?

and have they anything to say which is thereby informed and relevant?"

Anyone?

I'd loooove to hear from you.

[ufo_investigations]

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@nevynreally wrote:

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@ufo_investigations wrote:

What kind muslim are you, sunni, shiate or what?

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 You have an agenda against this faith, which for most of its followers, is peaceful. There are rotten Christians and atheists out there too. Where are your threads against them?

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Huh ..... there hasn't been any beheadings in 2014 in the name of Christianity. I think if you check you will find there were thousands rapes, torture, beheadings all in the name of allah.

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

From your second link . . .

“Taqiyya is allowed in matters related to manifestation of friendship or enmity; and it is also allowed in matters connected to professing (their) reli­gion."

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Or in other words, if you think admitting to your faith is going to put you in danger it's OK to tell a few white lies.

Andit's worth noting the same concept applies in the Bible. (and yes I do know you are an atheist - so am I) In genesis 12 Abraham asks his wife to say she is his sister  because he knows the King of Egypt fancies her and he is afraid if he finds out Sarai is his wife the king wil have him murdered.

when the king marries her, instead of punishing Abraham for telling a lie, The Lord punishes the King and his court for their innocent mistake.

In Kings 5, after Naaman the Syrian is cured of leprosy by Elisha he converts to Judaism and promises  he will have no other gods. He is worried, however about what may happen when he returns  to Syria if his conversion is discovered, so he seeks and is granted a blessing from Elisha to 'go through the motions' of heathen worshipin his own land in order to avoid  punishment

And don't forget in the New Testament Peter denied (with oaths) that he had any connection whatsoever with Jesus - yet he still went on to become (according to Catholics)  the first Pope. Does this tacitly agreed licence to lie mean we cannot trust anything any Chistian says when we question them about their beliefs?

[myoclon1cjerk]

Lots of punishment in the bible.Perhaps that's why the koran pilfered a lot if it.

[tezza2844]

ufo_ tells us:

"huh this guy is a "Dr." he knows what he's talking about"

Well her's another" Dr" and a very well qualifed one that as well as a Nazi :

Dr Josef Mengele better known as the Angel of Death

and you could like Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels  as well

[lal-au0]

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@tezza2844 wrote:

ufo_ tells us:

"huh this guy is a "Dr." he knows what he's talking about"

Well her's another" Dr" and a very well qualifed one that as well as a Nazi :

Dr Josef Mengele better known as the Angel of Death

and you could like Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels  as well

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goodwins law LOL

anyway, there is one thing that islam and nazism have in common: to kill every jew and homosexual.

how come it's ok for muslims to want to kill every jew/homosexual alive but not if you are a nazi?

how come people here defend islam but not nazism?