Jake Bilardi - who do we blame for him?

[i-need-a-martini]

Another event that highlights the nonsense that sometimes surrounds the young men who stupidly go off to fight with IS.

We often hear on here that the parents are to blame for bringinging their hatred of the ''infidels'' to australia and instilling it into their children. Ignoring the grief these parents are clearly suffering.

And yet here is another case that defies that logic.

A young catholic boy from a seemingly good home who gets sucked into the whole propaganda.

As Bob would say, discuss.

[icyfroth]

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@am*3 wrote:

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@the_bob_delusion wrote:

If you see how quick teens are worshipping pop stars, 1 direction or Bieber like they're Gods it's not hard to comprehend the illogic behind it. 

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That is pretty harmless though. Doesn't lead to becoming  a suicide bomber - dead follower.

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It's not as harmless as we might think. Young ppl tend to idolise and emulate certain stereotypes.

Especially when they've lost their father figures as role models.

[the_great_she_elephant]

If I am correct in thinking he said in his blogs that he wanted to be a suicide bomber, then I think that may be a significent insight into what drove him.

Too many young Australians commit suicide every year and I suspect it is because they are caught up in a stressful situation and don't really think beyond "I'll show them,wait till I'm dead, they'll all be sorry then." I can remember having similar thoughts as a child, imagining myself in my little coffin and all the grown-ups who had been men to me wailing and beating their breasts and saying "If only we'd been nicer to her.." The difference is that even at age 10 or so, I was perceptive enough to realise that however 'triumphant' my funeral was, I woudn't be there to gloat over it.

some young people - boys in particular, I suspect, never see that far ahead. I wouldn't be surprised if Jake saw his 'martyrdom' as a way of glorifying his suicide and hitting back at a world that had stolen his mother from him. Maybe he convinced himself that by embracing Islam he really would be there to gloat at his funeral.

[Anonymous]

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@the_bob_delusion wrote:

If you see how quick teens are worshipping pop stars, 1 direction or Bieber like they're Gods it's not hard to comprehend the illogic behind it. 

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you'd have to be asking questions if they

were willing to die for them - wouldn't you? 

[the_bob_delusion]

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@am*3 wrote:

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@the_bob_delusion wrote:

If you see how quick teens are worshipping pop stars, 1 direction or Bieber like they're Gods it's not hard to comprehend the illogic behind it. 

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That is pretty harmless though. Doesn't lead to becoming  a suicide bomber - dead follower.

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So?, same thought process behind it. If he think he is right, then why wouldn't he?

[go-tazz]

There is another possible scenario and it had nothing to do with identifying with these murderers.

Young guy contemplating suicide and angry at the world for the passing of his mother.

Gets conned by the murderers into becoming a suicide bomber as he's told that he'll have a magnificent life

after the bombing,(including 70 virgins?).

It has to be better then the life he believes he had in his mind.

That's how most of the suicide bomber get recruited,(they get them to believe in an afterlife that doesn't exist).

He then takes out people that mean nothing to him.

[icyfroth]

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@go-tazz wrote:

There is another possible scenario and it had nothing to do with identifying with these murderers.

Young guy contemplating suicide and angry at the world for the passing of his mother.

Gets conned by the murderers into becoming a suicide bomber as he's told that he'll have a magnificent life

after the bombing,(including 70 virgins?).

It has to be better then the life he believes he had in his mind.

That's how most of the suicide bomber get recruited,(they get them to believe in an afterlife that doesn't exist).

He then takes out people that mean nothing to him.

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Yeah well you've just connected it in one fell swoop.

[cherry*135]

He then takes out people that mean nothing to him.

There is a flaw in that statement

The unconfirmed death of Jake Bilardi - teen jhadi killed no one but himself (+ some cars blown up).

[cherry*135]

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@the_bob_delusion wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

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@the_bob_delusion wrote:

If you see how quick teens are worshipping pop stars, 1 direction or Bieber like they're Gods it's not hard to comprehend the illogic behind it. 

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That is pretty harmless though. Doesn't lead to becoming  a suicide bomber - dead follower.

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So?, same thought process behind it. If he think he is right, then why wouldn't he?

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Totally different ending. You don't have to leave home, go overseas to worship pop stars, its not illegal either... like comparing apples with oranges.

[icyfroth]

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@am*3 wrote:

He then takes out people that mean nothing to him.

There is a flaw in that statement

The unconfirmed death of Jake Bilardi - teen jhadi killed no one but himself (+ some cars blown up).

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Maybe that was his intention either way?

[Anonymous]

If I am correct in thinking he said in his blogs that he wanted to be a suicide bomber, then I think that may be a significent insight into what drove him.

not initially.  it was reported that he didn't want

to, that he was afraid and wanted to become an

IS soldier instead.  

this also supports that he went there to be a regular

IS soldier:

I asked him what role he had taken on there, and he replied that he was a “regular soldier of the Islamic State.”

I wanted to understand why he had left the peace and security of Australia to join the fight. He told me he was there because he believed it was an “obligation in Islam to leave the land of kuffar (non-believer) and it is also an obligation to fight for the sake of Allah”.

Jake Bilardi told me that he converted to Islam two years ago. His main source of information about the religion was the Internet and books (his family are atheists) but once he converted he “learnt from brothers and sheikhs”. He wouldn’t name them, citing the backlash against controversial preachers like Australian Musa Cerantonio and American Ahmed Musa Jibril.

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