on 01-12-2013 09:26 PM
If you give a gonski apparently there is a petition on the gonski site.
You can see what your school stands to gain on the site:
on 03-12-2013 10:42 PM
(4) Australian schooling will provide a high quality educational
experience with an environment and curriculum that supports all
school students to reach their full potential.
on 03-12-2013 10:48 PM
@izabsmiling wrote:Nev:Education is in the hands of the States
It hasn't been since earlier this year when The Australian Education Act 2013 was passed .....the former system was failing
Have you read that Act?
I'm in the process of doing it now, and so far cannot see where the Liberal Government has done anything wrong. I can however see how it doesn't apply in some situations to the perceptions of Gonski being "reported" here on CS though....
03-12-2013 10:52 PM - edited 03-12-2013 10:54 PM
The point is that the Federal Government is not allowed to get involved in education. It is written in our Cosnstitution. They have to be "invited" they can't just take over....
and did that not happen.I mean you didn't know about The Australian Education Act 2013 til a few posts ago .Now you now it was done uninvited ?
Would a GG do ?
AUSTRALIAN EDUCATION REGULATION 2013 (SLI NO 195 OF 2013) - NOTES
Select Legislative Instrument No. 195, 2013
I, Quentin Bryce AC CVO, Governor-General of the Commonwealth of Australia, acting with the advice of the Federal Executive Council, make the following regulation under the Australian Education Act 2013.
Dated 25 July 2013
Quentin Bryce
Governor-General
By Her Excellency's Command
William Richard Shorten
Minister for Education
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/num_reg/aer2013n195o2013384/notes.html
on 03-12-2013 11:01 PM
read the Act
LOLOL
on 03-12-2013 11:04 PM
@izabsmiling wrote:The point is that the Federal Government is not allowed to get involved in education. It is written in our Cosnstitution. They have to be "invited" they can't just take over....
and did that not happen.I mean you didn't know about The Australian Education Act 2013 til a few posts ago .Now you now it was done uninvited ?
Would a GG do ?
AUSTRALIAN EDUCATION REGULATION 2013 (SLI NO 195 OF 2013) - NOTES
Select Legislative Instrument No. 195, 2013
I, Quentin Bryce AC CVO, Governor-General of the Commonwealth of Australia, acting with the advice of the Federal Executive Council, make the following regulation under the Australian Education Act 2013.
Dated 25 July 2013
Quentin Bryce
Governor-General
By Her Excellency's Command
William Richard Shorten
Minister for Education
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/num_reg/aer2013n195o2013384/notes.html
OMG
hyperventilating here
can hardly see through the tears of laughter
READ THE ACT!
ROFL
on 03-12-2013 11:09 PM
ROFL - ya don't even need to read past the first 6 or 7 pages
LMAO
Iza, thank you so much for this gem.
have a look at tghe explanatory memorandum as well and the 2nd reading speech of the Bill.
ROFLMAO
on 03-12-2013 11:19 PM
I haven't been able to sleep due to some hot nights.I'm off to bed now. When you are able to stop hyperventilating, LOLing and ROFYAF I hope that you will post something which means something .
If you do ..I'll read it tomorrow.
Less personal more 'political' discussion would be nice to see...imo
Good night
on 03-12-2013 11:24 PM
just read the first 7 pages of the Act which you put forth and it's all over Red Rover.
Also have a look at the explanatory memorandum and the 2nd reading speech.
on 03-12-2013 11:49 PM
@my*mum wrote:
@lakeland27 wrote:
@nevynreally wrote:
@lakeland27 wrote:
@nevynreally wrote:When did schools become a federal issue? They are under the warm blanket of the respective States. Guess it's good fodder for some not to acknowledge that.
a review of the education system and a definitive lack of talent in managing the money and the ed system at a state level , decades of mismanagement made it an issue.
Oh please! Don't be so naive to think that the entire Gonski thing wasn't a political ploy.
Education has always been a State issue. Federal government getting involved is grandstanding.
says you and bolt. i have more regard for your opinion usually, but not on this occasion. make a point if you have one.
The point is that the Federal Government is not allowed to get involved in education. It is written in our Cosnstitution. They have to be "invited" they can't just take over....
LL, I'm not trying to be political. I don't believe that either govt's efforts will make any real difference.
I'm against the propaganda of how it is being sold to the public.
I'm against how this has once again been turned into a chance to take political pot shots and the hypocracy of the people who claim to be concerned.
The core issie with education isn't funding, but that's what we are being told by BOTH sides....
In here, it seems that no one is wanting to discuss the real issue, education and the Gonski is just being used as the vehicle to further a cause, that's all it is.
I think if Mr Abbott does reneg on the binding agreements then yeah, that's bad. I've said that.
But people here were protesting before they even knew if the new proposals would be better or worse.
as I said earlier, the hypocracy is deafening...
meh
another thought - if Gonski had been on the table for 2 years, why the push to get everyone signed up in the last days of office? If it was so well supported, then why the need? what were labor afraid of? why wouldn't 3 states sign? why hadn't 3 states reached binding bilateral agreements? and why did those who (apparently) did (still haven't actually seen proof of that) do it so quickly whilst others negotiated for longer?
LL, may I please ask why, when you are so against private education and pell et al, and bibles in schools etc that you chose to send your child to a catholic school?
But people here were protesting before they even knew if the new proposals would be better or worse.
that's the thing, pyne cancelled with no plan. then, because of backlash he returns with the PM and they say 'we are giving and then some' 'more even' but no plan. just the kind of cash splash you seem to disprove of ? this against a thorough process taking years simply because of the names on it ? pyne and abbott are throwing this cash at the states for the sake of their personal pride. possibly wasting a lot of it because of a flawed ideology.
LL, may I please ask why, when you are so against private education and pell et al, and bibles in schools etc that you chose to send your child to a catholic school?
i have. i saw this coming
on 04-12-2013 01:32 AM
LL, I agree wholeheartedly, it is a cash splash, regardless of who "gives it" and I don't agree with it.
I don't believe it will be of any real benefit, not when you think of where the problem actually is.
It's the same reasons why the free uni for all didn't work.
and LL, that Education Act just makes a greater mockery of everything that has been said, of the reasons why we are being told Gonski is so great. It doesn't even define key elements and is very vague and open to interpretation.
If you read thqat Act, Mr Abbott is acting within the law, and what both he and Mr Pyne are saying is true. If that's the Act providing the framework for Gonski, then everything they say is true.
That's why I was saying about the real goals, asking people to consider what the real objectives of the agreements were and the real objectives of schooling.
Neither gov were/are throwing money at the states for personal pride, they're getting something for it, there are strings attatched to that funding, they have used education as a bargaining tool so that the states would concede to do something in return, I'm just curious what they had to give up to get the funding. what was bargained for and with? There are reasons why the funding is negoitiated for and why not all states jumped on board straight away - wonder what they were?
I think you see that too, deep down, that this money won't be of any real benefit, otherwise you would have left your kids in the public system, wouldn't you have? I think you really do know what you need to dio to ensure your kids get the education to which you believe they are entitled, even if it does mean swallowing a bible or two LOL