Keep your Gonski promise Mr Abbott

[donnashuggy]

If you give a gonski apparently there is a petition on the gonski site.

You can see what your school stands to gain on the site:

http://igiveagonski.com.au/whats-gonski/your-school/

[*crikey*mate*]

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@izabsmiling wrote:

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@daydream**believer wrote:

They are still gonna give the money.

What i want is for the Federal gov to have more control over how money is spent that is given to schools.

Cause i believe some schools waste it.

EG, i know a school who just spent a fortune on an office area renovation. New carpet, new doors, knock down walls, put up new walls and the office staff all got fancy new uniforms.

Meanwhile, the computers take 10 minutes to load one page, thats if they are working at all

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 Christopher Pyne and Our Government want the opposite to you DDB

"Christopher Pyne:we believe the best placed people to manage the school system are those that own and operate it, which are of course the states and territories and of course the Catholic systems and the independent schools.

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completely out of context.

DDB's comment was about money received for specific purposes - there was a grant that enabled new admin facilities.

I have the same issue as DDB, That money was clearly administered ineffectively. Schools that didn't need it, got it. But you cannot blame the schools, of course they will apply for any grant that is available, it all helps to make their particular school a better place. But doesn't help wioth equality of resource distribution in all schools. DDB has made the comparison, that a school received money for funding in one area whilst another is grossly underresourced. But if the money was designated and approved to be used for a specific purpose, then they cannot use it elsewhere.

From where was that quote taken, and what was it really in reference to?

Mr Pyne is correct and I am positive that most (openminded) people will agree, that a person or governing body close to an individual school, understands more what it's population needs than a bunch of politicians in their comfy airconditioned offices a gazillion miles away who have no idea of specific demographics or needs of a particular area/school.

The people who own and operate a school on a day to day basis are the ones who understand their student body and can identify their needs the most effectively.

DDB - that funding could not be used for other purposes. The only wasteful thing your school did was to accept/apply for the money if they did not need it. They were not allowed to spend it on anything they wanted. My guess is they took it to improve what they could whilst the opportunity was there. Now they will not need to find money for that elsewhere or take from other opportunities such as fundraising or fees etc,

The waste was in the mismanagement of the distribution of those funds. In some cases at least, it was given to schools that did not NEED it, at least not at that time, but hey, they still got shiny new offices to match their shiny new super modern undercover car parks, science buildings, libraries, multipurpose centres/school halls etc etc, whilst other schools still lack basic facilities.

just stupid wastes of money like schools getting school halls that they cannot use, or computers that they don't have the infrastructure to operate.

[just_me_karen]

Did you know the Libs have removed all references to Gonski from their website? That includes the full report and apparently 7000 contributions. Appalling.

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@just_me_karen wrote:
Did you know the Libs have removed all references to Gonski from their website? That includes the full report and apparently 7000 contributions. Appalling.

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well, in another thread you were complaining that they gave out too much information...

goodness me, they just can't please some people no matter what they do.

[i-need-a-martini]

Schools that didn't need it, got it.

Yep and thats why the SES model doesn't work. And that's what the Gonski findings/recommendations aimed to address.

So what's your issue? I don't understand.

Gonski found that school funding in this country under the SES model sucks and is out of whack with the actual requirements of schools and their kids. Most educators and academics agree. Most of the states agree. Most politicians on both sides agree.

The Gonski funding model needs to be injected to redress the problem.

Or are you happy with the current system where the advantaged schools get more and more funding and the disadvantaged schools lose out year after year after year?

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martini, what I came to realize in the last 5 or so years is it's far deeper than the students. The principals/business managers at at least some of the schools simply don't, or don't know how to apply for the funding on offer. That was apparent with the school hall funding.

That's what needs addressing. Something needs simplifying or fine tuning

Also, if the purpose of gonski is to get those most in need some funding, then how do so many schools stand to benefit from the existing Gonski model?

c'mon, seriously? Do you really believe that Donna (who claims her school was to receive $4 million dollars) would send her kids to a school which was significantly disadvantaged? Really?

I know the system is flawed and badly administered, but I do not believe that the cirrent Gionski proposal will address the real issues and get the help to those most in need. It is simply a bandaid solution, one where the band aid will fall off and the money will be wasted.

The real issues that need to be addressed first is the quality of the staff/teachers and the infrastructure etc.. all the foundations need to be there, and these aren't acheived by throwing around a few million dollars to a few schools, as evidenced by the laptop roll out.It's just wasted money.

Have a look at the school systems that are out performing ours. They are vertical curriculums as opposed to our horizontal format. The format and resources we are using have already been tried and tested by the English and the USA 20 YEARS ago, and discarded as not effective, yet we are giving them a shot anyway and have been for quite a few years...

You have to fix the foundations, it doesn't matter who throws money at the results, it wont be fixed by applying a bandaid. If we want to compete on an international stage, we need to do what the leading internationals are doing and rework the entire structure of our education system, whilst addressing and retraining/training those who are charged with implementing it.

[izabsmiling]

It isn't about as he says treating everyone equally,treating everyone as a first class student and it isn't just about the amount of dollars.

His mentally is that that he believes that money is all these plebs want to satify them.He is so wrong ,ignorant and so friggin arrogant.

The Better Schools Plan

The Better Schools Plan is due to begin in 2014. The Plan aims to improve the performance of the Australian education system for all students, and make it more equitable for all students. Reforms will focus on the 5 identified key areas. These are teaching, learning, school leadership, student need and  transparency and accountability.

The funding model it uses is comprised of a core funding amount for every student (called the School Resource Standard) and additional loadings for students with identified disadvantage (including students with disability), school size and remoteness. This new funding model will be introduced in 2014 in those education systems that have signed up to the Better Schools Plan.

The loading for students with disability will be designed and developed during 2014 and is scheduled for implementation in 2015. For the 2014 school year, a temporary loading will be paid to education systems, in which the current support arrangements for students with disability continuing to apply.

More information can be found at http://www.betterschools.gov.au/

http://www.cda.org.au/the-better-schools-plan

http://education.gov.au/

The Australian Government Department of Education is responsible for national policies and programmes that help Australians access quality and affordable childcare; early childhood education, school education, post-school, higher education, international education and academic research.

This website is currently being updated to reflect Machinery of Government changes.

[izabsmiling]

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@just_me_karen wrote:
Did you know the Libs have removed all references to Gonski from their website? That includes the full report and apparently 7000 contributions. Appalling.

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It is appalling.All that input not respected .The better schools site was according to the article below pulled down in Oct .

Liberal party apparently cleaning up some of their own words on their own site too .

I hope the model isn't totally disregarded .A lot of people support it 

      Better Schools site pulled down amid funding uncertainty

Date October 7, 2013

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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/better-schools-site-pulled-down-amid-funding-u...

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@izabsmiling wrote:

I think some have the same understanding of the Better School Plan as our Federal Education Minister Christopher Pyne (which is from his own words very little)

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well maybe "some" should do something about it and try to educate themselves a little bit about the big picture, rather than just focus on what "they" are missing out on.

"Some" are just using this as another opportunity to take more unsubstantiated pot shots at a politician,

Same as "some" did in the Asylum Seeker thread with the lady with the newborn baby. All the corcodile tears about "their" concern for this lady and the plight of the Burmese, cos it gave "some" a chance to take a pot shot at a politician. "Some's" concern about the asylum seekers  and specifically this Burmese lady is sooooo far reaching, that not one single word came from "some" about the Peace Talks in Burma and the possibility of peace starting an end to their persecution. Not a word to say "I hope it happens" or "maybe the Karen will finally be able to return home" etc

The hypocracy is deafening.

[izabsmiling]

Charming .

Good night 

[*crikey*mate*]

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@izabsmiling wrote:

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@just_me_karen wrote:
Did you know the Libs have removed all references to Gonski from their website? That includes the full report and apparently 7000 contributions. Appalling.

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It is appalling.All that input not respected .The better schools site was according to the article below pulled down in Oct .

Liberal party apparently cleaning up some of their own words on their own site too .

I hope the model isn't totally disregarded .A lot of people support it 

      Better Schools site pulled down amid funding uncertainty

Date October 7, 2013

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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/better-schools-site-pulled-down-amid-funding-u...

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oh, you mean all the input not respected and disregarded in the IPP report?

Why are you not "appalled" by that?

Why are you not appalled about the ramifications of the NDIS and what it has really acheived for those it claims to help but in reality absolves a lot of responsibility for insurance companies as a result of the fake insurance crisis that we apparently had?

LOLOLOL

political pot shots