LGTB in Christianity

[jessicadazzler97]

 Do you think it's possible to be LGTB and a Christian?

 What about other religions/faiths/beliefs?

 Note: Please don't be nasty! Whatever your personal beliefs, I didn't start this thread so you could offend each other. Please be nice and try to be understanding. This is a public forum, anyone can read what is written here. Thanks!

[icyfroth]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

 I'm not entirely sure what I think of the whole situation. Like I've said, it's not that I'm against two people of the same sex being together, it's just that right now my personal conviction is that it's not right for me and my own beliefs.

But is your belief that it is not right for you, or that it is not right for anyone?

I also believe very strongly that homosexuality would not be right for me. However, since it has no harmful effect either on those who practice it or society as a whole

You don't really believe that do you? Have you not heard the recent stories of those young boys from Irish orphanages that were procured for and were ravished by ppl (men) high up in British Govenrment?

And don't start with that old " pedophiles  are not homosexual" wheeze. 

, I would not presume to dictate whether or not it should be right for anyone else.

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[icyfroth]

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@bright.ton42 wrote:

2 horny ppl of the same sex

That's a bit rough.   Love is not just about being 'horny' or we could apply that to opposite sex marriages in exactly the same way. 

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I'm sorry bright, but being horny is exactly what it's all about.  Love is important, but not exclusive to the sexual union of 2 ppl.

Besides, what happened to love when at least 50% of marriages in Australia, hetero or otherwise, end in divorce?

Love can so easily turn to hate.

[the_great_she_elephant]

I also believe very strongly that homosexuality would not be right for me. However, since it has no harmful effect either on those who practice it or society as a whole

You don't really believe that do you? Have you not heard the recent stories of those young boys from Irish orphanages that were procured for and were ravished by ppl (men) high up in British Govenrment?

And don't start with that old " pedophiles  are not homosexual" wheeze.

If you believe that paedophiles who prey on children of the same sex do so because they are homosexual, then logically you must also believe that paedophiles who prey on children of the opposite sex do so because they are heterosexual.

[skyrider12-au]

Homosexuality - it has no harmful effect either on those who practice it 

If that's what you think are you able to explain why are so many homosexuals are dead from aids,why so many many are carrying the herpes virus and other contagious diseases that are not found in abundance in heterosexuals?  "Not harmful" ,yeah right!!!!

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@skyrider12-au wrote:

Homosexuality - it has no harmful effect either on those who practice it 

If that's what you think are you able to explain why are so many homosexuals are dead from aids,why so many many are carrying the herpes virus and other contagious diseases that are not found in abundance in heterosexuals?  "Not harmful" ,yeah right!!!!

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You might just as well argue that sex of any kind is harmful. Every genetic disorder known to mankind is  passed on through sexual congress. In fact, you could even argue that sex between same sex couples is less dangerous since it does not entail the potential passing on of harmful genes.

And I suspect a bit of research would show you that, worldwide,AIDS has killed more heterosexuals than it has homosexuals.

[jessicadazzler97]

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@azureline** wrote:

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@jessicadazzler wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@jessicadazzler wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

 I can't shake off the feeling that God made man and women and He put them together for a reason 

He also made hermaphrodites - whenre do they fit into the divine plan?

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 They have the freedom to choose how they live.

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So, as far as you are concerned, God would be quite happy for two hermaphrodites to each other - as long as they didn't both choose to be the same sex at the same time?

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 I'm not entirely sure what I think of the whole situation. Like I've said, it's not that I'm against two people of the same sex being together, it's just that right now my personal conviction is that it's not right for me and my own beliefs.

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Unless you are gay or lesbian it's not a choice you actually need to make.

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 The game is afoot 

[cmcoins2000]

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@jessicadazzler wrote:

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The game is afoot 

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What - now - you are for or against - AFL & NRL.

[ecar3483]

The game is afoot? A foot isn't that great a distance, so that would rule out field sports, snooker and darts.

Tiddlywinks, perhaps? Scrabble?

How about a nice game of "Name that  psalm" over tea, with the vicar?

I know I'm completely off the mark, but this is kind of fun.

[skyrider12-au]

No I want to argue that homosexual sex is harmful - that's what your refusing to believe/understand

You suspect..? well can you provide a link to that info? You seem to have deliberatly ignored the fact that homosexual activity isn't harmful to them. To take that further and include society - well who is it that pays for their hospitalisation etc when they do become unwell? I'm not saying that heterosexuals don't impact on society in the same manner but you said that the homosexuals don't cause any harm, and that's what I want to talk about.

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@skyrider12-au wrote:

Homosexuality - it has no harmful effect either on those who practice it 

If that's what you think are you able to explain why are so many homosexuals are dead from aids,why so many many are carrying the herpes virus and other contagious diseases that are not found in abundance in heterosexuals?  "Not harmful" ,yeah right!!!!

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You might just as well argue that sex of any kind is harmful. Every genetic disorder known to mankind is  passed on through sexual congress. In fact, you could even argue that sex between same sex couples is less dangerous since it does not entail the potential passing on of harmful genes.

And I suspect a bit of research would show you that, worldwide,AIDS has killed more heterosexuals than it has homosexuals.

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[the_great_she_elephant]

You suspect..? well can you provide a link to that info?

The HIV pandemic is most severe in Sub-Saharan Africa. Over 60% of all people living with HIV reside within the region

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_HIV/AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate

In 1988, prominent organizations and experts circulated estimates attributing about 90% of HIV infections in African adults to heterosexual contact1–3. Estimates have inched upwards since. According to the World Health Organization’s 2002 World Health Report, ‘current estimates suggest that more than 99% of HIV infections prevalent in Africa in 2001 are attributable to unsafe sex’ (quoted from page 94). A recent special series in the Lancet on Africa’s HIV/AIDS epidemic averred that most infections are from heterosexual intercourse,

http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/gisselquist2/gisselquist2.pdf

So, at least 90% and posiblly as many as  99% of the 60% of people worldwide living with HIV/AIDS acquired it through heterosexual contact. Add to that those, worldwide who acquired it through blood transfusions or needle sharing and the statistics clearly show that the majority of HIV/AIDS cases worldwide are not the result of homosexual actitiviy.