07-05-2014 07:37 PM - edited 07-05-2014 07:39 PM
on 07-05-2014 07:37 PM
on 07-05-2014 07:41 PM
nobody with half a brain swallows that anymore, they now know that hockey has doubled the deficit since september
on 07-05-2014 07:41 PM
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
on 07-05-2014 07:44 PM
on 07-05-2014 07:48 PM
Agree with posts 3, 4 & 5.
on 07-05-2014 08:03 PM
on 07-05-2014 08:06 PM
@am*3 wrote:Agree with posts 3, 4 & 5.
There is something seriously wrong with a mob who have to rely on trashing the opposition as if they're still on the campaign trail.
I dislike Cormann's style a lot. I also think people should live in Australia for longer and get to know Australia better before they're allowed to enter politics. He seems to be in it for the money and power.
on 07-05-2014 09:46 PM
B-b-b-but the economy is on fire! Australia's going to be repossessed!
But enough of the lefty Abbott-bashing - let's look at some evidence for our terrible spiralling debt.
First up, our level of debt to GDP has been remarkably consistent, sitting around 10% since the 70s (aside from the mid-90s where it blew out to around double that under Abbott's economic hero John Howard). Certainly for the last decade it's pretty much flatlined at around 11%, where it currently sits. The OECD average is around 50%. Compared with the UK, New Zealand, the US, Israel and every other developed economy, we're utterly a... So: no huge debt blowout.
Our interest payments are also completely tiny and entirely manageable: our interest rate is miniscule, sitting under 0.5% (this is why the whole "like households, governments need to leave within their means" argument is bull**bleep**: they have different responsibilities from and enjoy far better economic conditions than households).
There's also the tiny point that the numbers that Hockey is using to justify his budget are, to be kind, made up: more specifically, he's using "out-of-date forecasts from the beginning of December", according to BusinessWeek's Michael Pascoe, instead of the actual current data.
And while government public debt isn't by definition a bad thing - borrowing money to stimulate the economy or protect services in times of crisis is often the most responsible thing that a government can do, which is why our level of debt rightfully skyrocketed during WWII - the fact remains that our debt burden is scary-sounding numbers that translate as negligible percentages.
Now, there are those who argue that all debt is bad and that things could be better. This is largely nonsense, and takes as its premise that public money is not collected for the benefit of the people who contribute that money.
To use Abbott's own ridiculous governments-as-households analogy: you could have more money to put away in savings if you stopped buying food and clothing, but a) being hungry and naked is not preferable to being fed, clothed and managing your debt responsibly, and b) ultimately, what's the point of money if it's not to exchange for things we need? That's literally the entire reason we have the stuff.
07-05-2014 10:47 PM - edited 07-05-2014 10:49 PM
B-b-b-but it's the debt, not the spending: why the budget is bleeding.
"First up, our level of debt to GDP has been remarkably consistent, sitting around 10% since the 70s (aside from the mid-90s where it blew out to around double that under Abbott's economic hero John Howard). Certainly for the last decade it's pretty much flatlined at around 11%, where it currently sits."
Thus by extrapolation the whole post, and subsequent ones, will be viewed as being as reliable!
"Last decade flatlined at around 11%" really? the Circus would appear to have achieved what could be described as a debt big-top.
Looks like the OECD also have a different idea of FLATLINE:
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