Lance Armstrong to lose all title

[the_bob_delusion]

This is like the biggest sports news of the decade.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/more-sport/lance-armstrong-accepts-usada-drug-charges/story-e6frfg...

Do you think this is admission of guilt?

How does this affect those that worshipped him and was inspired by him all these years?

How about the charity he was invovled with? knowing they were supported by a cheater?

Do you think Lance Armstrong is a hero and a legend?

[bella_again]

Lance Armstrong through his foundation has helped thousands with cancer.  He has given a tremendous amount not just in monetary terms but has inspired many.

The USADA have been trying to prove Armstrong was a cheat from as early as 1999 and they still do not have a reliable positive test to prove the accusations.

It's hard to know whether its true or not because some will spin any story to get themselves immunity from drug cheating.  It's unfortunate he has chosen not the fight the charges, maybe the truth would have come out.

But lets face it its been about 12 years of fighting so I can understand his decision because it would have been horrendous on a personal level.

His withdrawing from the fight does not as far as I am concerned prove that he is guilty maybe its just a redistribution of his time, money and energy into something else more important.

We may never know the truth but I do hope someday it does come out.

[tasfleur]

An excellent and brilliant post Bella, thank you, that's exactly what I was thinking about this.

It's interesting that none of his tests have ever come up positive, and until that day, and as far as I'm concerned, he's innocent.

[the_bob_delusion]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/more-sport/lance-armstrong-accepts-usada-drug-charges/story-e6frfg...

[the_bob_delusion]

Lance Armstrong through his foundation has helped thousands with cancer.  He has given a tremendous amount not just in monetary terms but has inspired many.

I'm curious, hypothetically speaking, if a belief gave hope and help to thousands even though it was base on a falsehood. Is that still a good thing?

And on this case. What will it do for the people that worshipped him?

[colic2bullsgirlore]

never ever got off on Lance

.......and has been described more than once as a domineering egomaniac.......................

 I generally find that judges are also great judges of character

http://www.businessinsider.com/lance-armstrongs-lawsuit-dismissed-2012-7

A federal judge took cycling legend Lance Armstrong to task Monday

Judge Sam Sparks

“This court is not inclined to indulge Armstrong’s desire for publicity, self-aggrandizement or vilification of Defendants, by sifting through 80 mostly unnecessary pages in search of the few kernels of factual material relevant to his claims,” Sparks said in his order.

..........if you are not sure............. do some googling and see what his past partners/wife/mistresses say about him.............

Without the performance enhancing drugs that he took that raised his profile to "enigma" status 

........how much charity money would he have raised??

I bet...however....he raises a lot more money

....... HE MIGHT EVEN MAKE  A JOB OUT OF IT  :-p...........

[colic2bullsgirlore]

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/athletes/lance-armstrong/Its-Not-About-the-Lab-Rats.h...

n the wake of the Mortenson report, bloggers and journalists (not just this one) were asking pointed questions about Livestrong, the disease-fighting charity that Armstrong founded in 1997, during his recovery from testicular cancer.

"Others noticed an annoying tendency: whenever questions about doping arose, Armstrong and his supporters changed the subject to his cancer work, a tactic that the bicycling website NY Velocity called “raising the cancer shield.”

Although Armstrong had told Vanity Fair he would be racing for free, he actually pocketed appearance fees in the high six figures from the organizers of both the Tour Down Under and the Giro d’Italia.

An Australian government official told reporters that the money was a charitable donation, but Lance himself admitted to The New York Times that he was treating it as personal income.

It’s a tricky thing. Armstrong is in demand not just as a cyclist but also as a cancer survivor and inspirational figure—in other words, because of the Livestrong Effect—yet he’s never been shy about monetizing this appeal for personal gain.

[colic2bullsgirlore]

 Is Lance Armstron apologizing for his actions........ or apologizing to his charity for getting caught... ie I wonder whether Oprah will ask Lance something like

" So Lance if the USDA had not outed you as a drug cheat fraud at any point were you considering fessing up of your own volition or were you happy to just perpetuate the fraud infinitum"

[colic2bullsgirlore]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/zone-lance-armstrong-bully-downfall-article-1.1188512

“I recall Lance saying words to the effect of, ‘Who does Greg think he is, talking about Ferrari?

I’m going to take him down,’ ”Andreu says in the affidavit.

“During this conversation, Lance never denied or disputed performance-enhancing drugs but criticized LeMond for criticizing him.”

That summer, LeMond has said, Armstrong told him during a telephone conversation that he could find 10 people who would vow that LeMond

— recognized as the only American to win the Tour de France, now that Armstrong and Floyd Landis have been stripped of their titles because of doping — had used EPO.

He received calls from associates who warned him not to further cross Armstrong.

Even more frightening, LeMond’s wife Kathy has said, was Armstrong’s offer to pay $300,000 to one of her husband’s former teammates to claim that he had seen LeMond use the oxygen-boosting drug.

The teammate declined the offer.

“It shows how desperate Lance was,” Kathy LeMond says. “It is a huge example of what a bully Lance Armstrong is. He crosses lines no others will cross.”

[freddie*rooster]

actually that's not why. It's because he had testicular cancer, beat the odds and still be competiting and winning the toughest road race in the world.

You have to wonder if he really had testicular cancer, he had a few corrupt doctor's in his camp ready to do and say anything for the cheating creep.

[azureline**]

actually that's not why. It's because he had testicular cancer, beat the odds and still be competiting and winning the toughest road race in the world.

people who recover from cancer are not heroes.