on 12-10-2013 08:42 AM
While Labor wallows in a mess of its own making Tony Abbott is getting on with the job of running the country in a competent manner that we haven't seen for the 6 years Labor was in power, who failed at 99% of their policies & then turned around & blamed it all on Rudd & "dysfunction".
There has been no critique of their massive loss & policies failures, they are blindly going along looking at themselves "again" whilst the majority of Labor members look on incredulously & in disbelief at the blindness & ignorance of the leaders of just why they lost power.
This is all not good news for Labor all over again, they have learnt nothing, arrogantly ignore the fact that they failed the Australian people in just about every way & their crowing about the "big reforms" will have to be somehow paid for whilst the coalition struggle with a weakening economy & massive debt burden.
Below is an article every Labor supporter should read as it's playing out all over again today.
Left misreads Tony Abbott as they did John Howard
DURING the 1996 election campaign, prime minister Paul Keating told a radio interviewer that Asian leaders, including Indonesia's president Suharto, would not "deal" with his opponent, John Howard.
Mr Keating's speechwriter and biographer Don Watson would later recall there was "a significant element of truth in what at face value looked like lunacy". Mr Keating did not flesh out the idea, Dr Watson lamented in Recollections of a Bleeding Heart, his portrait of the Labor PM: "Asian leaders would not listen to Howard as they listened to Keating. They would not be persuaded as they had been persuaded. The momentum of engagement would be lost. There would be costs to the national interest. All that could be convincingly argued." Mr Howard immediately called it "crazy" talk and even Dr Watson would conclude the remark sounded "at once wrong, arrogant and desperate". Mr Howard went on to govern for almost 12 years, during a period of economic abundance, while deepening and strengthening relations with Indonesia, China, Japan, South Korea and India, against the backdrop of regional crises, terrorist attacks, civil unrest and wars.
Three governments later, Labor is making the same mistake about its opponents and its loss: underestimating the leader, repeating follies of the past and failing to learn the lessons from the election result. After a convincing victory on September 7, Tony Abbott is governing with steady purpose and defying the wayward predictions of critics. But as Chris Kenny writes in Inquirer today, Labor and its friendlies in the media are displaying the same anti-Howard whining of the previous era; by focusing resentment on the victor, the same clique, give or take, is now avoiding an examination of its own thinking, policies and behaviours. Blinded by disdain, as they were in the Howard era, the critics are hopelessly out of touch with mainstream sensibilities and the message voters emphatically delivered last month.
Mr Howard was once derided as "little Johnny", but not at the end of his premiership; in fact, Kevin Rudd, his successor, won in 2007 with a political persona that promised a younger, kinder and gentler simulacrum of the veteran Liberal leader. Yet when Mr Abbott, to the surprise of most, emerged as the challenger in December 2009, he was immediately dismissed as unelectable. The Australian Financial Review's Laura Tingle wrote of his ascension as "a disaster of epic proportions." In an essay last year, David Marr concluded: "Australia doesn't want Tony Abbott. We never have." During the election campaign, Mr Abbott was lambasted as out of his depth in economics and as a clumsy neophyte on foreign affairs. Many critics were willing him to fail on his first overseas missions, believing that the energetic man who destroyed an inept Labor government was reckless, lacking the grace and intellect to engage the region's leaders and argue persuasively for Australia's interests.
Yet the net effect of Labor's taunts and progressive critics' jibes has been a lowering of expectations about the new government -- a bar that has not been difficult to leap for a disciplined unit, as the Coalition has, so far, proven to be. Mr Abbott has adopted the example of his esteemed political mentor about presentation and plain language; he is firmly in the mainstream of Australian life, in the way he thinks and behaves. His mandate is to stop the boats, abolish the mining and carbon taxes, end waste, pay down debt and convene an adult administration. Mr Abbott promised to be calm, measured and steady, leading a government that "says what it means and does what it says." On this standard he will be judged.
Labor and its attendant scribes again face the challenge of 1996: accept the verdict of the popular ballot and listen to the electorate's judgment on policy, or fight on into oblivion with rejected ideas. The month-long leadership contest between Bill Shorten and Anthony Albanese, with a winner to be declared on Sunday, has not helped the party on this score.
Rather than grappling with the major issues, the combatants have been friendly to a fault, thereby sparing Labor's diehard supporters in the election aftermath from difficult, but necessary, debates. Arguments postponed, however, will not make Labor's reality check any easier, nor will a lack of clarity about their failed policy prescriptions.
on 12-10-2013 01:42 PM
@izabsmiling wrote:so inciting racial hatred and descrimination , falsely accusing people of child abuse in order to get one's own way is an acceptable way to behave ?
Just what are you ranting about ?
Are you suggesting that Tony Abbott incites riot, hated and discrimination ?
Accuses people of child abuse to get his own way ?
Pretty strong words so hope you have the proof to back it up please ?
12-10-2013 01:47 PM - edited 12-10-2013 01:48 PM
NS, People did not throw their children overboard as claimed (not misread...stated )
Tony Abbott has given us billboards with numbers and shouted out for all to hear the number of Asylum seekers ,how bad it is for us etc etc .
now it is according to him ....an encouragment to people smugglers for them to give us regular info ..we have the weekly shipping news.
They quite jovially aided people smugglers in opposition ...
on 12-10-2013 02:55 PM
@izabsmiling wrote:NS, People did not throw their children overboard as claimed (not misread...stated )
Tony Abbott has given us billboards with numbers and shouted out for all to hear the number of Asylum seekers ,how bad it is for us etc etc .
now it is according to him ....an encouragment to people smugglers for them to give us regular info ..we have the weekly shipping news.
They quite jovially aided people smugglers in opposition ...
So, you are saying it was Tony Abbotts fault that children were thrown overboard, of course it was not the fault of the person who actually did it, of course not. They threw children overboard because the people smuggler scuttled the boat and did so knowing people would die. They did not care, they had their money for the trip, open your eyes and blame the right people.
I believe the traffic of refugees by these smugglers should be stopped and it will cost lives if the people smugglers don't listen and realise our government will not tolerate it and turn a blind eye anymore.
Even labor has realised how much it got out of hand and is trying to stop people smuggling, hopefully both parties will cooperate and fix the problem.
12-10-2013 03:07 PM - edited 12-10-2013 03:10 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/publik15/3317112399/
Australian navy personnel rescue asylum-seekers from a sinking boat off Christmas Island in October 2001. The government came under attack in February 2002 for suggesting that asylum seekers had thrown their children overboard in an effort to stay in Australia.
A Senate inquiry has backed an allegation that the War Criminal Prime Minister was told days before the 2001 election that there was no evidence to support claims that asylum seekers had thrown their children into the sea.
Former ministerial adviser Mike Scrafton says he passed on the information during several phone calls to John Howard three days before the 2001 poll.
12-10-2013 03:09 PM - edited 12-10-2013 03:13 PM
NS, All I am saying is that our Government can't claim their lies, failures ...their own words and actions
on us misreading them .
12-10-2013 03:45 PM - edited 12-10-2013 03:46 PM
Published in Social Alternatives, Vol. 25, No. 2, Second Quarter 2006, pp. 59-63.
Abstract: The children overboard incident during the 2001 Federal election was one of the greatest political scandals in modern Australian history. The government accused asylum seekers of throwing children into the ocean in an attempt to blackmail the Australian government into granting them asylum. Even when the government knew it did not occur, they continued to maintain it did. The backfire model is used to analyse how the government went about this deception, implementing the methods of cover-up, devaluation of the target, reinterpretation of the event, official channels and intimidation and bribery. Finally, some general methods to counter similar government actions are outlined.
http://www.bmartin.cc/pubs/bf/06saHerd.html
The Backfire Model :Cover-up, Devaluation of the Target, Reinterpretation of the Events ,Official Channels, Intimidation and Bribery
on 12-10-2013 03:47 PM
@newstart2380 wrote:
@izabsmiling wrote:A winner is not a winner with Lies of that nature
Show me a politician who does not lie when it suits and calls it a change in policy ?
Happens on all sides of politics so please do not pretend the labor party does not have liars in its ranks.
Tony Abbott and LNP are in Govt now, the focus is ON them and their election promises, new policies, not the Labor leader & their MP's.
on 12-10-2013 04:17 PM
@newstart2380 wrote:
@izabsmiling wrote:NS, People did not throw their children overboard as claimed (not misread...stated )
Tony Abbott has given us billboards with numbers and shouted out for all to hear the number of Asylum seekers ,how bad it is for us etc etc .
now it is according to him ....an encouragment to people smugglers for them to give us regular info ..we have the weekly shipping news.
They quite jovially aided people smugglers in opposition ...
So, you are saying it was Tony Abbotts fault that children were thrown overboard, of course it was not the fault of the person who actually did it, of course not. They threw children overboard because the people smuggler scuttled the boat and did so knowing people would die. They did not care, they had their money for the trip, open your eyes and blame the right people.
I believe the traffic of refugees by these smugglers should be stopped and it will cost lives if the people smugglers don't listen and realise our government will not tolerate it and turn a blind eye anymore.
Even labor has realised how much it got out of hand and is trying to stop people smuggling, hopefully both parties will cooperate and fix the problem.
The children were not thrown overboard.
The big lie had the desired effect when years after it wsa proved to be a lie we still have some claiming it to be fact.
on 12-10-2013 04:46 PM
@am*3 wrote:
@newstart2380 wrote:
@izabsmiling wrote:A winner is not a winner with Lies of that nature
Show me a politician who does not lie when it suits and calls it a change in policy ?
Happens on all sides of politics so please do not pretend the labor party does not have liars in its ranks.
Tony Abbott and LNP are in Govt now, the focus is ON them and their election promises, new policies, not the Labor leader & their MP's.
Still does not change anything that BOTH parties have done in the past or now in the present, can't just sweep labors lies under the rug now it is in opposition and say its OK because they are not in government, please be realistic.
Yes the focas is on the new government as it should be and they must perform, I think it is time to stop degrading the LNP and LP and start hoping they can work together as much as possible to fix the problems created over the past 6 years.
12-10-2013 05:03 PM - edited 12-10-2013 05:07 PM
NS, I was trying to stay on topic and reply to your comment about there being any truth in the article in the OP
the thread title reads:Left misreads Tony Abbott as they did John Howard
I'd say Tony Abbott and John Howard are similar.
Our Former Prime Minister Malcolm Fraser seems to feel the same
he wasn't a Leftie ....he is now though
He's campaigned with the greens
he thinks Tony Abbott is inconsistant ,too far right and Tony Abbott is a dangerous politician.
Mr Fraser quit the Party , I do believe the same day or soon after Tony Abbott became the leader of the opposition .