Let's Avoid More Rows!

[icyfroth]

Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono says "precise measures" must be taken to avoid a repeat of the spying which caused a deep rift in relations with Australia.

Dr Yudhoyono on Tuesday met with some of his closest advisers and senior ministers to discuss an official response to a letter from Prime Minister Tony Abbott.

The letter was received on Saturday in response to demands from Jakarta for an explanation over the tapping of the president's phone in 2009.

While Indonesian officials have refused to reveal the contents of the letter, a spokesman for the president said before the high-level meeting at the presidential palace that it was in line with expectations.

Indonesia last week suspended all military co-operation with Australia, as well as co-operation in combating people smuggling, intelligence gathering and anti-terrorism efforts.

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[freshwater-2]

So, does this mean that we increase our live animal export to Indonesia?

[acacia_pycnantha]

Let them eat cake.

Live animal export is cruel and inhumane.

[icyfroth]

Why don't we do like NZ, slaugther the cattle onsite and then send it to foreign markets?

Surely that would be the humane thing to do as well as creating jobs for Aussies?

And the humane thing to do would be to save the poor bovines that hideous trip with nothing to look forward to but a cruel end?

[spotweldersfriend]

Can killing a healthy animal be considered humane?

[icyfroth]

Are you a vegetarian, Spot?

[freshwater-2]

Spot, I don't eat animal flesh.  However others do....so the least that can be done is to ensure that the animals do not suffer in any way..

One group that hasn't come under fire with this live export issue is the beef industry.  I read this week that Queensland beef farmers were complaining that their live export beasts were too thin to export because of the feed and water shortages.   Don't they care about what is waiting for them after that horrendous trip?  It seems to me that money is more important than stopping the cruelty.

Yes, we can learn a lesson from NZ.

[polocross58]

Quote:  letter was ' in line with expectations'

What a pantomime when Indonesian ministers have laughingly admitted Indonesia's been spying on us for decades

Yes, I'd like to stop live exports.  I'd like us to become self-sufficient.  I'd like an Australian government -- ANY party -- to provide incentives to manufacturers prepared to produce our needs right here, in Australia.  I'd like to see the millions of shipping containers filled to the brim with mass produced rubbish to be sent from our shores and forced to cart their stuff home

I'd like to see Australians being provided cheap gas and fuel, instead of putting Aussies in the work-house so we can provide ultra-cheap energy to Asia

I'd like to see full employment in Australia, which would happen if Aussies produced their own stuff, earned a wage from producing their own stuff and bought the stuff and to hell with rubbish imports that even the Salvos don't want

Currently, corporations are being provided incentives by Asians to set up slave-factories in Asia.  Corporations are creaming in the profits while Aussies are being forced to submit to Centrelink for jobs which don't exist -- farmers are forced to sell the farm because Chemtrail droughts have sent them bankrupt -- allowing Saudis and Asians to buy our irreplaceable faming lands.  And the government wastes my time with pretend concerns over posturing third-worlders who've been spying on us at the same time we've been providing them billions (WHY?) and training them on our lands in preparation for their future invasion

Cattle are raised and fattened for slaughter

So are we

[icyfroth]

Thank you Polo, that's an excellent post.

[fiestas*girl]

can i ask a question , not really relevant to this discusion?

why do non meat eaters refer to meat as 'animal flesh'?  is it a deliberate attemtp to make the word and habit of eating meat distasteful?

Its a phrase I seem to be hearing a bit of lately (not just this thread, so no offence is directed at anyone here)

when i hear non meat eaters use this phrase i want to slap them and ask if they are deliberately trying to kill my appetite for a great big red juicy peice of beef steak?