Living with the Enemy on SBS

[ufo_investigations]

I just watched LIVING WITH THE ENEMY on SBS.  The story about Ben the Aussie going to live with Lidia and Ahmed the muslims. Lidia is an Aussie and was raised Catholic and converted to Islam. Ahmed was born in Saudi Arabia.

What did I learn?

- Muslim women wont shake hands with a male person their not related to. (Very rude).

- When husband and wife muslims pray in their own house, the wife has to pray behind her husband. (Women are not treated as equals even in their own house).

- Christians are not allowed to visit Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Why? Because you have to be muslim to be allowed.

- Mosques can be built all over Australia but we can't build a Church in Saudi Arabia.

- The Quran tells muslims to kill people.

- In the mosque women are behind the curtain at the back. It's their own area. Why? Because the men have to be in a different section. Why? To give women privacy. This is the reason they cited. The real reason I believe is not to cause desire in the men.

- When they went shopping they visited a halal butcher to buy lamb shoulder. Ben wasn't consulted. What if he wanted pork chops?

- They went to Bondi to do an "Aussie thing called surfing". Lidia went swimming in her full Islamic clothing then when she came out of the water she placed a towel around her depicting the Australian flag.

[bushies.girl]

Works well in theory 😞 Sadly there will always be an element of animal cruelty, no matter what religion is involved.

[azureline**]

Of course... but may be more about the character of some people than Religion. I would like to believe we don't have to kill animals and eat meat.............. but it seems we do.

[bushies.girl]

I dont like the fact that animals are killed for eating, but I also believe that the land could not fully sustain a totally vegetarian diet for the whole world.  Hard call 😞

[rabbitearbandicoot]

@i-need-a-martini wrote:

It;'s a bit like the Bible telling us that we should fast or that it is 'haram' to eat meat on Good Friday.

where was that martini - I can't seem to find it in ANY of my Bibles.

[punch*drunk]

Why is everyone allowed to practice their religion as they see fit apart from ufo? Many (most) religious people apply their faith in their own way rather than strictly what their bible tells them. I completely see ufo's point when it comes to eating halal meat, its had a parayer said over it to a god other than the one he worships. As far as other halal food, ufo is well within his rights to consider halal certification as a type of blessing or offering to another god and therefore make a choice not to eat that food.

What right does anyone have to ridicule him for that?

[lloydslights]

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@ufo_investigations wrote:

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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I think cadbury is halal.

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So Cadburys do some sort of sacrifical ritual when they slaughter the chocolate before they wrapp it in foil?

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The chocolate is sacrificed as an offering to a false deity (God). So yes that is correct. According to the halal symbol on the packet that would make it halal.

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I come to the conclusion that the false deity (God) for a lot of halal products is the HOLY DOLLAR.  Amen to chocolate.

DEB

[boris1gary]

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@punch*drunk wrote:

Why is everyone allowed to practice their religion as they see fit apart from ufo? Many (most) religious people apply their faith in their own way rather than strictly what their bible tells them. I completely see ufo's point when it comes to eating halal meat, its had a parayer said over it to a god other than the one he worships. As far as other halal food, ufo is well within his rights to consider halal certification as a type of blessing or offering to another god and therefore make a choice not to eat that food.

What right does anyone have to ridicule him for that?

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Maybe the same "right" that some people feel is theirs to ridicule and abuse Islam and Muslims.

[raptor_rebooted]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@ufo_investigations wrote:

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re "surrendering a possession as an offering to a deity:"

Deity is a god. An offering of chocolate to a false god is off limits as per wording in the signature below. I don't bow down to false gods or serve them.

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But at what point is the chocolate offered up to a God?

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why does chocolate need to be certified halal

in the first place? because of the ingredients.

it has to contain halal certified gelatine. 

what does that mean?  the animal that it came from

had to be ritually slaughtered.

you and i may think that it is strange but that's

irrelevant.  if  we accept that one group rejects

certain foods on religious grounds then surely

you agree the same should apply to other groups.

Secondly, the word Halal means permissable. Nothing more. Nothing less.

what does halal slaughter mean -

what is the whole process and what

are the reasons behind it? 

what makes this specific method

of killing to be permissible (halal) in islam

and why is it permissible for muslims to

consume it?

once you understand that -

you will be able to understand the

reasons why some people believe

it is against their religious beliefs -

whether you agree with them or not.

[raptor_rebooted]

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@punch*drunk wrote:

Why is everyone allowed to practice their religion as they see fit apart from ufo? Many (most) religious people apply their faith in their own way rather than strictly what their bible tells them. I completely see ufo's point when it comes to eating halal meat, its had a parayer said over it to a god other than the one he worships. As far as other halal food, ufo is well within his rights to consider halal certification as a type of blessing or offering to another god and therefore make a choice not to eat that food.

What right does anyone have to ridicule him for that?

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[bushies.girl]

Plenty of other religions get abused as well