Mandatory Vaccination: Would you support it?

[the_bob_delusion]

https://www.theage.com.au/world/south-america/brazilian-supreme-court-rules-against-covid-anti-vaxxe...

Does the collective health for all trump the right of individuals?

Discuss

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[4channel]

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@4channel wrote:

I'm the same as you on that one icyfroth, I wouldn't use that as an influencer. But thinking more on this, a doctor that decided against taking the vaccine would be someone who thinks independntly and less likely to be a drone or salesman for big pharma.  Yes, some are and some have been "sprung" in the past. That's another story for another topic. I want the doctor who is going to look at the bigger picture and give me the best for my buck.

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@davewil1964 wrote:

Here's one. Of many. Where you consider a doctor's non-adherence to acceptable standards to be a plus.

There are may other instances.

You really need to look at what you have posted before posting stuff that doesn't align with what you've previously posted.

It shows either an inability to know what you think, or a deliberate attempt to sow dissention.

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You're entitled to your opinion davewil1964.

But as I asked on  Message # 50   Where on this thread are these conspiracy theories you talk of davewil1964?

[jetho1680]

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@4channel wrote:

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You're entitled to your opinion davewil1964.

But as I asked on  Message # 50   Where on this thread are these conspiracy theories you talk of davewil1964?

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I doubt he will answer tonight, I believe he has gone home.

I found these, they belong to him.

                                                                                                            

[jetho1680]

this too

[4channel]

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@jetho1680 wrote:

I doubt he will answer tonight, I believe he has gone home.

I found these, they belong to him.

                                                                                                            

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Gone home to bed?

So it's early to bed. early to rise.

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@jetho1680 wrote:

this too

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Ah, I knew it. That chap will be up early after sleep and then back on the job to catch bad thought criminals .

This thread obviously is going to invoke some opposing views. That's fine. It's an important topic to discuss. Having a view is not a crime.

And I believe that it is way to early to consider taking a vaccination when years are needed to see if it is safe or not.

Thanks for the update jetho.

[springyzone]

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@lyndal1838 wrote:

Springy, I am in Sydney and I feel we need to put the whole of Sydney into lockdown for at least several weeks, not the 4 days that has been imposed on the Northern Beaches.

We started off well.....I am in hospital in Southern Sydney, so well away from the current clusters but at 4pm on Friday ALL hospital staff donned masks....from the top doctors to the cleaners, no exceptions.  However, here we are at Sunday morning and it is about 50/50.

The emphasis seems to be on relaxing the restrictions before Christmas which I think is a terrible mistake.

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I didn't know that lyndal. You've probably mentioned it before but I always forget where people on here are from.

Good luck with it all.

To my mind, I agree with the WA permier I think, who said NSW is playing whack a mole, hitting one thing at a time, when they need to come down harder and nail the whole thing.

For starters, masks should be compulsory right through the Greater Sydney area and I am actually surprised that for medical staff & everyone else in hospitals, it is not compulsory.

Here, even now, there is also very limited visiting allowed to hospitals. There should be no visitors at all allowed into homes, or 5 at most.

You are right, the emphasis seems to be on relaxing things for Christmas, which is madness. I can barely believe my ears each time I hear them saying they might be right by Wednesday. In their dreams.

The incubation period alone is apparently about 7 days so you won't know for a while but at the moment the numbers each day are not giving me confidence.

The virus took off here in Melbourne through our quarantine hotels and a big sreading factor was some muslims who celebrated Eid with a massive family get together, at a time when the maximum allowed in the home was 5. Before we knew it, it was in several suburbs right across Melbourne.

It's disappointing when people have to miss celebrations. Just about everyone here in Melb missed every family birthday, for example. We missed Easter. We missed weddings and funerals. No churches were open. Those muslims who flouted the rules should have missed Eid. In the same way, some Sydneysiders may need to have a quieter Christmas.

Countess mentioned that contact tracing in NSW is better than ours was initially, but contact tracing can only go so far. If people are out and about, travelling here and there, the potential for the virus to spread is still there. I don't trust asking people to self isolate either. Experience here showed that 60% or more of them break the rules.

We didn't do things well in Melbourne at the start. The hotel quarantine was a fiasco and so on. But I can't fault Dan's lockdown measures once he started to get a grip. I am not sure how well people in other places in Aust were paying attention as I know some interstaters, even a former nurse, who had no idea, but I would hope authorities at least could have been learning from our experience.

[lyndal1838]

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@springyzone wrote:

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To my mind, I agree with the WA permier I think, who said NSW is playing whack a mole, hitting one thing at a time, when they need to come down harder and nail the whole thing.

I agree....this 4 day quarantine for the Northern Beaches was always a mistake.  It should have been at least 2-3 weeks from the start.

For starters, masks should be compulsory right through the Greater Sydney area and I am actually surprised that for medical staff & everyone else in hospitals, it is not compulsory.

Masks became compulsory again for the hospital staff last Friday afternoon.  All started off very well but by Sunday some of the staff were getting very lax.

Here, even now, there is also very limited visiting allowed to hospitals. There should be no visitors at all allowed into homes, or 5 at most.

Visiting is very strictly controlled in hospitals....at least this one.  One visitor per patient and the same visitor for the duration of the patients hospital stay.

All visitors have had to register and show ID and have to sign in every time they arrive.

You are right, the emphasis seems to be on relaxing things for Christmas, which is madness. I can barely believe my ears each time I hear them saying they might be right by Wednesday. In their dreams.

The incubation period alone is apparently about 7 days so you won't know for a while but at the moment the numbers each day are not giving me confidence.

I agree totally.....full hard lockdown for the whole of Sydney for at least a month initially.  No point is celebrating one day when it could lead to many weeks of illness or even death.

[springyzone]

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@lyndal1838 wrote:

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You are right, the emphasis seems to be on relaxing things for Christmas, which is madness. I can barely believe my ears each time I hear them saying they might be right by Wednesday. In their dreams.

The incubation period alone is apparently about 7 days so you won't know for a while but at the moment the numbers each day are not giving me confidence.

I agree totally.....full hard lockdown for the whole of Sydney for at least a month initially.  No point is celebrating one day when it could lead to many weeks of illness or even death.

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Exactly. I know it is hard to take & they don't want to disappoint people.

But when I heard they were locking the northern beaches area just till Wednesday and would then reassess, I wondered if northern beach people were actually taken in by that.

I guess if there had been no further spread at all, if it was contained as Adelaide seemed to manage, then yes.

But it doesn't seem to be happening. Adelaide went into immediate hard lockdown though.

I just feel that authorities may be raising hopes, only to lead to disappointment.

Our harshest lockdown period was initially supposed to be 6 weeks but it ended up going much longer than that.

I noticed on the news people were stripping shelves at supermarkets. Don't bother getting worried. It won't be like back in March, any gaps will be temporary and things back to normal on shelves much faster. We had a couple of flurries of panic buying too but always short lived. No need to join any queues for anything, waste of effort.

And a quiet Christmas. In some ways, lockdown isn't all bad. It releases you from the usual routine, you're not obliged to join the whole party thing or do all the usual things. There is still the internet and the phone, walks to be had, TV and books.

[lyndal1838]

There has already been one case found in Cronulla which has been traced back to the Northern Beaches cluster.  So far there do not appear to be any further cases but Cronulla is about as far south as the Northern Beaches are north.....will there be any cases popping up in between?

[bright.ton42]

Yes it's a guessing game as I think the virus takes up to 2 weeks to incubate.  As is happening it only takes one infected person to start clusters.  As for the vaccine it's injecting chemicals into the body and I'd like to see more substance behind it which can't happen in so short a time.