on โ05-05-2013 03:21 PM
Most nursing home managers and staff do not support giving cardio-pulmonary resuscitation to elderly residents who suffer heart attacks, and the technique has been found to be ineffective in reviving most.
While the policy of most nursing homes is to administer CPR, a survey of managers of the homes by Dr Bill Silvester, who heads the Respecting Patient Choices program based at the Austin Hospital, found fewer than one in five thought heart attack patients should be revived.
The reality was that in three-quarters of the homes no CPR was used in the past year, and in the few where it was, it was used only once, Dr Silvester said. ''It would appear that frequently residents were found deceased or were known to be dying and were allowed to die peacefully"
The results of the study prompted calls for new national guidelines on when CPR should be used.
Dr Silvester said in his analysis of the study findings: ''We would also recommend that guidance be provided on when and how to discuss this with residents and their families. NSW Health state that it is reasonable to withhold
CPR without explicit discussion with the patient or family if a) the resident or family do not wish to discuss it, b) the resident is aware that they are dying and has expressed a desire for comfort care or c) the facility does not provide CPR as a matter of course, consistent with the values and practices relevant to its population.''
Of more than 400 managers surveyed, fewer than 20 per cent thought CPR should be used in cases of ''witnessed cardiac arrest'', despite four out of five homes surveyed having a policy of providing CPR if the need arose.
''This revealed a significant difference between what the staff thought would be appropriate for their residents and what they were expected to do,'' Dr Silvester wrote in the report.
He cited international studies showing that on average fewer than 1 per cent of residents who had heart attacks and were given CPR survived and returned to the aged-care ho me.
He said the use of CPR on aged-care patients appeared to be driven by an expectation of what medical staff needed to do, rather than its effectiveness. ''The reason we did this study was we were appalled at the number of elderly people being resuscitated in aged-care homes and being brought into hospital and ending up in the intensive care unit.
''So we asked the ambulance people why this was, and they said they had no choice. And then we asked the nursing homes and they said it was because of expectation.''
The findings come on the eve of a conference in Melbourne on planning end-of-life medical care.
on โ08-05-2013 05:22 PM
My FIL has no idea about the waiting lists he is on but my OH has POA and guardianship. At this stage of his dementia he cannot make decisions himself about his care. I would start by looking at some in your area, take along his ACAT report when you go. You will find that the best ones don't have vacancies at the moment.
on โ08-05-2013 05:23 PM
OH has been assessed by ACAT and diagnosed by a psychiatrist...but I will still have to get some more info.
on โ08-05-2013 05:27 PM
On his ACAT report it will say what he has been approved for.
Dad's says: Starting from 12/02/2013 you are eligible to receive Permanent Residential Care at a high level..
on โ08-05-2013 05:30 PM
Possibly because he has been assessed. But the way punch and kengillard were asking, I assumed it was for the future.
My dad has been assessed and approved for permanent residential care. We are helping him stay at home at the moment by utilising as many services as we can and being there almost daily. Its a complete unknown as to how long we can keep this up though, if he stays at this level we will cope ok, if he deteriorates much more or too quickly, he will need to go into care.
So yes, its for the future, but the future may be here quicker than I was expecting it to be.
on โ08-05-2013 05:33 PM
on โ08-05-2013 05:40 PM
Unfortunately there are NO waiting lists for nursing homes.
Really? How does that work as far as getting the empty beds filled when they have no names on a list to contact?. Residents pass away all the time, at random times. The homes would be keen to fill the beds asap so no loss of income.
Why wouldn't they have a waiting list? So they can fill the beds pronto.
on โ08-05-2013 05:40 PM
We thought Dad was ok living on his own with daily visits from his daughter, his son and a care person who would come at lunchtime and heat his main meal.
This has been for the last year, since his first ACAT which said he needed in home care and which his POA and guardian's were unaware of.
What we didn't know was how much his dementia had been affecting him. He was good at pretending. ๐ and some were good at covering up the extent of it.
He was not being given good care, his home was not clean and his condition was not good, something that is probably not the case with your dad, Punch.
There was a lot of self interest by some. It is sad he is in a home but we want him well cared for and to be happy, he deserves that.
on โ08-05-2013 05:43 PM
Sorry polksal, I missed your reply up there. So they do have waiting lists for people approved as eligible for rest home care?
I was taken it as a given, that people would only put their names down on a home waiting list if they were approved to do so.
on โ08-05-2013 05:45 PM
Really? How does that work as far as getting the empty beds filled when they have no names on a list to contact?. Residents pass away all the time, at random times. The homes would be keen to fill the beds asap so no loss of income.
Why wouldn't they have a waiting list? So they can fill the beds pronto.
See Post #129
on โ08-05-2013 05:47 PM
Sorry, Am 3, I missed yours too ๐
I wish there were waiting lists for those if us who haven't reached that stage yet, because then we could find a super duper home.