Many in Aged Care Allowed to Die Peacefully without CPR

 


Most nursing home managers and staff do not support giving cardio-pulmonary resuscitation to elderly residents who suffer heart attacks, and the technique has been found to be ineffective in reviving most.


 


While the policy of most nursing homes is to administer CPR, a survey of managers of the homes by Dr Bill Silvester, who heads the Respecting Patient Choices program based at the Austin Hospital, found fewer than one in five thought heart attack patients should be revived.


 


The reality was that in three-quarters of the homes no CPR was used in the past year, and in the few where it was, it was used only once, Dr Silvester said. ''It would appear that frequently residents were found deceased or were known to be dying and were allowed to die peacefully"


 


The results of the study prompted calls for new national guidelines on when CPR should be used.


 


Dr Silvester said in his analysis of the study findings: ''We would also recommend that guidance be provided on when and how to discuss this with residents and their families. NSW Health state that it is reasonable to withhold


 


CPR without explicit discussion with the patient or family if a) the resident or family do not wish to discuss it, b) the resident is aware that they are dying and has expressed a desire for comfort care or c) the facility does not provide CPR as a matter of course, consistent with the values and practices relevant to its population.''


 


Of more than 400 managers surveyed, fewer than 20 per cent thought CPR should be used in cases of ''witnessed cardiac arrest'', despite four out of five homes surveyed having a policy of providing CPR if the need arose.


 


''This revealed a significant difference between what the staff thought would be appropriate for their residents and what they were expected to do,'' Dr Silvester wrote in the report.


 


He cited international studies showing that on average fewer than 1 per cent of residents who had heart attacks and were given CPR survived and returned to the aged-care ho me.


 


He said the use of CPR on aged-care patients appeared to be driven by an expectation of what medical staff needed to do, rather than its effectiveness. ''The reason we did this study was we were appalled at the number of elderly people being resuscitated in aged-care homes and being brought into hospital and ending up in the intensive care unit.


 


''So we asked the ambulance people why this was, and they said they had no choice. And then we asked the nursing homes and they said it was because of expectation.''


 


The findings come on the eve of a conference in Melbourne on planning end-of-life medical care.



 


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/many-in-aged-care-allowed-to-die-peacefully-without-cpr-study-sugg...

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I know of a couple who bought an independent living unit, in a retirement home complex. One of them had ansevere stroke and needed more care, and they moved into the home part. The other one stayed in the unit.


 


Some retirement homes (dementia secured units) do smell of urine (the one where I volunteered did) some don't (the ones I have visited where I have relatives living).


 


 

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It is pretty standard in NZ, that retirement homes (Govt funded ones also) rooms are single and have ensuites. Those that do not have single rooms with ensuites have trouble getting new residents and some close down because of that. The new resident doesn't pay a bond either. 


 


I realise that doesn't help anyone here, but with az posting her problems makes me realise the same doesn't always apply here and it is best to be aware of these things (waiting lists, bonds) before you need to know.

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All this is making me think I should start looking soon for a place for my dad. What happens if we get him on a waiting list and a place comes up but we're not ready yet? Do they bump you down to the bottom of the list?


 


The money thing freaks me out a bit too. He doesnt have enough money to pay a bond as large as what has been mentioned and my grandfather owns half of his property and will still be living there. I believe they cant kick him out to use the house as a bond.....or can they?

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No, they can't use the house/sell the house if someone is still living there.


If his name comes up, he will be offered the place, if he doesn't take it, they offer to the next on the list.When a new place comes up, it is then offered to him again...etc etc.


It depends on the type of facility if a bond is payable.


Look for a Church/Religious one, not for profit.

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http://www.agedcareguide.com.au/quick-answers.asp

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Unfortunately there are NO waiting lists for nursing homes.


 

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Unfortunately there are NO waiting lists for nursing homes.


 



? my FIL is on the waiting list at 5 places.


 

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Thanks az, I really didnt have any intention of even looking yet, but he has already been approved for permanent care by ACAT, so I guess I can put him on a waiting list.


 


Silly question, but does he need to know he's on a list? He still thinks he's ok, and as long as one of us is there everyday to oversee things, he is still functioning ok. He'd be horrified to think we were looking at nursing homes for him....it horrifies me even.

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Punch, in NSW you cannot put anyone on a waiting list without an ACAT assessment for the type of care they are entitled to.


My father was originally assessed as only being eligible for assistance to live at home and we could not put him on any waiting lists.  Within 3 months (after a fall, a further ministroke and a rapid deterioration of his dementia) he was assessed as needing high level care and we were scrambling to find somewhere for him.


 

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? my FIL is on the waiting list at 5 places.


 



 


Possibly because he has been assessed.  But the way punch and kengillard were asking, I assumed it was for the future.


 

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