Mass Shooting in Las Vegas

[this-one-time-at-bandcamp]

First reports show over 50 dead and hundreds injured.  Witness say the shooter used an automatic weapon........the NRA says, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people"...........well I find that a little simplistic........would have been hard of a knife wielder to kill that many people.

According to authorities the shooter is dead, they're looking for his girlfriend now.

The gun cockroaches are going to come out of the woodwork now, claiming that if someone had been armed, they could have stopped the shooter......bulldust.  No doubt any one armed  (and there were sure to be at least several in that big a concert) were busy filling their knickers.

Prayers and condolences to the victims.

[domino-710]

All hotels have a little sign - one places on the door handle of one's room.

Please do not disturb.

Come back later.

Even in an hotel one is entitled to privacy if desired.

It is respected.

Perhaps this is what he/they did.

[davidc4430]

not anymore me thinks.

metal detectors at doors, xray gadgets, sniffer dogs, room checks will all be the norm in las vegas very soon i suspect.

[janeababe]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

a short time ago i was watching on the tv news the police over there in las vegas talking about what the found in the room where this maniac was shooting from.

so many weapons, stacks of ammo in the form of loaded ready to go magazines for said weapons.

plus elecrical serveilance equipment.

my question is, how long did it take for him to fill this room in a hotel/resort with all this stuff and how is it no staff noticed?

i thought hotels like this had daily maid service, come in and clean and tiday, remove dirty dishes and wet towels, all that sort of thing.

me thinks perhaps security in hotels is kinda slack for a country on high alert re terror attacks.

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EXACTLY David.....

all that for ONE MAN??  really?? 
I dont think so.
I dont believe in the cocknbull story about the other woman either.

The conspiracy floating around at the moment, is........ that he was shot dead, and placed in the room to make it appear he was the shooter and committed suicide! 
Why would someone with all that fire power, with the intent to have with him,  all that surveilance and the prime position of the hotel room.... to turn around, run off a couple of rounds of ammo, then kill yourself!!  Nah! I dont buy it!

Now, I dont know if that has any truth what-so-ever.... but none of the crime scene and the story we are being fed, marry up in my books. And ive read a LOT of true crime books (plus I watch CSI, hehehehehe)  I'm an arm-chair detective ya know LOL

[davidc4430]

but then if you were setting up a room, wouldnt you get a guy with a past....known to the cops type?

you know, in and out of prison, known to hold a grudge.

this guy was squeeky clean, no past record......just a love of guns     (if thats even true) going by your theory.

i mean, if i was thinking, how do i make this look like a lone wolf gone on a shotting spree, id want to make the guy found in the room to be someone when his background was revealed everyone would say 'yeah, he was a crazy nutter, everyone was scared of him'

not someone they have trouble finding a jaywalking ticket on.

[bsal6160]

but people also KILL people with knives and cars, so by your logic they should also ban ownership of those as well?

a gun can lay on the ground for centuries and not kill anyone until someone picks it up and uses it against another person.

[go-tazz]

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@bsal6160 wrote:

but people also KILL people with knives and cars, so by your logic they should also ban ownership of those as well?

That is probably one of the most ludicrous statements that I've ever seen,

a gun can lay on the ground for centuries and not kill anyone until someone picks it up and uses it against another person.

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A gun is created and designed for one purpose only and that is to kill someone or some animal,(the only

exceptions might be ones for target shooting and such but the semi automatic is only designed to kill).

Yes it takes someone to pull the trigger but then there are plenty of them in the US,

[davidc4430]

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@bsal6160 wrote:

but people also KILL people with knives and cars, so by your logic they should also ban ownership of those as well?

a gun can lay on the ground for centuries and not kill anyone until someone picks it up and uses it against another person.

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if we woke up tomorrow morning and there were no guns, would the world stop working?

i think without cars or knives life would be very different.

how would i get to the shop to buy a banana and how would i cut my arm off removing the banans skin?

[tezza2844]

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@janeababe wrote:

Why would someone with all that fire power, with the intent to have with him,  all that surveilance and the prime position of the hotel room.... to turn around, run off a couple of rounds of ammo, then kill yourself!!  Nah! I dont buy it!

Police state that after shooting the security guard,  "He continued firing for about nine to 11 minutes". I think that since high powered fully automatic weapons and plus the fact that Police found thousands of unfired rounds in the room " run off a couple of rounds of ammo" does not actually sound realistic, since some of the weapons used have a extremely high fire rate, ----- rates of fire are 600–900 RPM for assault rifles, and up to 1,000-1,100 RPM in some cases,

[janeababe]

@tezza

So... do you think with 10mins of fire power, expending some 9000 rounds, (by your calculations,) that there would be the casualty list of 59 dead, approx 500 injured from 22,000 in the crowd. Don't forget, the shooter had the advantage of height. A greater advantage for accuracy. Also, he was using the device attachment (don't know it's official name) that converts his semi automatic to a fully automatic, so faster rapid fire.
Also have to note that the 500 said injured, are not all shot. A great deal of those injuries were caused through sheer panic trying to avoid being shot.
(Terrifying for them, just terrifying)

Yet.... the hotel room contained many weapons and unspent ammo. For just a lone-shooter?
I don't think so.

I will say this though... Stephen Paddock's timeline prior to the shooting does seem to put him in the picture, but then, I'm not one to trust nor believe everything I read in the media!!

His family, friends, previous coworkers can't believe he was involved with the shooting. He has no criminal history, and by all accounts, was a friendly caring man.
So, in my opinion only, because obviously, an opinion is all I can give, in my opinion he was the scapegoat. He might have been involved, but I doubt he planned it!!

[tezza2844]

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@janeababe wrote:
@tezza

So... do you think with 10mins of fire power, expending some 9000 rounds, (by your calculations,) that there would be the casualty list of 59 dead, approx 500 injured from 22,000 in the crowd. Don't forget, the shooter had the advantage of height. A greater advantage for accuracy. Also, he was using the device attachment (don't know it's official name) that converts his semi automatic to a fully automatic, so faster rapid fire.
Also have to note that the 500 said injured, are not all shot. A great deal of those injuries were caused through sheer panic trying to avoid being shot.
(Terrifying for them, just terrifying)

Yet.... the hotel room contained many weapons and unspent ammo. For just a lone-shooter?
I don't think so.

I will say this though... Stephen Paddock's timeline prior to the shooting does seem to put him in the picture, but then, I'm not one to trust nor believe everything I read in the media!!

His family, friends, previous coworkers can't believe he was involved with the shooting. He has no criminal history, and by all accounts, was a friendly caring man.
So, in my opinion only, because obviously, an opinion is all I can give, in my opinion he was the scapegoat. He might have been involved, but I doubt he planned it!!

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“expending some 9000 rounds” is your calculation. The rate of fire of these rapid guns are limited by the capacity of the magazines they use.  When the magazine gun runs out  he would re-load it with a pre-loaded one or used another gun. Although these guns are very accurate, the days of aiming at an individual in a crowd are long gone and  these days rely on aiming at a large target/crowd and use the high speed rate of fire of the gun to inflict maximum destruction. The device you describe is called a bump stock and does increase the rate of fire.

You said that not all people injured were from gunshots, correct, but the panic caused by the gunfire would probably increase your chances of being randomly hit.

As with any tragedy, conspiracy theories abound. The family, friends and co-workers can’t/won’t believe he was capable or guilty of the massacre. Infowars believe he was not alone and was a scapegoat/patsy, his body was planted there after the massacre, There must be an ISIS involvement (they would make a claim for you wetting the bed), that it was a Trump hating trans-sexual Democrat and on and on

I think (and this is my own thinking) that I will wait till there is a factual and realistic investigation by unbiased experts   into the massacre and the shooter, and not rely on the exaggerated reports put out by the Media, who these days depend on their stories coming from Twitter, Facebook and shows like Infowars