Men in Blue ties.

[jethro_woolfe]

The new Cabinet certainly vindicates former PM Gillards statements regarding "Men in Blue Ties''

one female minister. ms bishop.. the rest are men in blue ties.. dear me, more than half of the population represented by 1 person.. Ms Bishop.. misogyny ++++

[poddster]

It already has 🙂

[master*and*commander]

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@jethro_woolfe wrote:

If wages are frozen, the CPI still rises which amounts to a wage cut  effectively.

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true, but there may be reductions in other areas to offset this. We do not know this yet.

I think it also important to take into account that being low income earners, they are likely receiving some form of means tested government assistance. How many people would be affected adversely in this way if their wages were to increase?

As I said, it is easy to give money on one hand only to take it back by some other method.

The Education Bonus springs to mind here.

It was a wonerful thing, wasn't it? Yet the reality is that it actually raised the taxable income of people when it was no longer a tax reduction. So somone who may have previously been receiving benefits based on an income of $44,000, was now pushed into the next threshhold of minimal benefits (if any) as the removal of a tax reduction increased their reportable income.

In theory everyone still got the bonus, but how many people have now lost other benefits that they were entitled to when school expenses were a claimable tax reduction? That's effectively an additional $1,500 per child now added to the taxable income. 3 kids - on paper, that family's income just went up $4,500 per year, but do they really have any extra money in their pockets? Do they really have any more disposabble income?

[just_me_karen]

Right, moc, so you're agreeing with my first point - that the liberal party attracts incompetent females...except you've added a further point (and I agree with you) ... The liberal party attracts incompetent AND untrustworthy females.

[poddster]

Martinus, change you tactics. I have known many many women who have risen to the top, earned respect in their chosen profession, and were recognised for their ability. None of those women demanded that they be treated in any special way they just did it.

That takes a special skill which some don't have 😉

[poddster]

hahaha amusing yo see some people attempting to put words in other posters mouths

[master*and*commander]

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@just_me_karen wrote:
Right, moc, so you're agreeing with my first point - that the liberal party attracts incompetent females...except you've added a further point (and I agree with you) ... The liberal party attracts incompetent AND untrustworthy females.

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I'm sorry, but could you please remind me how Julia came into power in the first place?

Even if I agreed with any of your points, which I clearly do not, I could say that at least the Liberal government is able to attract some competent people, even if they are only men. The same cannot be said for the Labor party, or they would still be in power.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@poddster wrote:

Martinus, change you tactics. I have known many many women who have risen to the top, earned respect in their chosen profession, and were recognised for their ability. None of those women demanded that they be treated in any special way they just did it.

That takes a special skill which some don't have 😉

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Oh is that all I have to do? How about that.

I get it. So the reason I was called a "Dumb 'b' that needs a good 'r'" to my face in a meeting that I was chairing yesterday by some imbecile of a contractor was simply because I hadn't earned his respect yet? If only, stupid me!, I had thought of what it was I could have done to earn more respect in my chosen profession, this wouldn never have occurred.

In fact I am sure that had I made the coffees and taken the minutes and kept my mouth shut and shown up in a short skirt so they could leer at me, then I would have had some respect I imagine...

The latter could have been my 'changed tactic' and all would have well hey?

[jethro_woolfe]

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@master*and*commander wrote:

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@jethro_woolfe wrote:

If wages are frozen, the CPI still rises which amounts to a wage cut  effectively.

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true, but there may be reductions in other areas to offset this. We do not know this yet.

I think it also important to take into account that being low income earners, they are likely receiving some form of means tested government assistance. How many people would be affected adversely in this way if their wages were to increase?

As I said, it is easy to give money on one hand only to take it back by some other method.

The Education Bonus springs to mind here.

It was a wonerful thing, wasn't it? Yet the reality is that it actually raised the taxable income of people when it was no longer a tax reduction. So somone who may have previously been receiving benefits based on an income of $44,000, was now pushed into the next threshhold of minimal benefits (if any) as the removal of a tax reduction increased their reportable income.

In theory everyone still got the bonus, but how many people have now lost other benefits that they were entitled to when school expenses were a claimable tax reduction? That's effectively an additional $1,500 per child now added to the taxable income. 3 kids - on paper, that family's income just went up $4,500 per year, but do they really have any extra money in their pockets? Do they really have any more disposabble income?

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You fail to recognise the true significance of the bonus. i have had some discussions with teachers on the topic already. do you know what they are saying ? students from disadvantaged backgrounds, many who have thrived under the first real school improvements since ww2 are the ones missing out. teachers fear they will come without textbooks in larger numbers because of this cut, and then of course there is all of that unpaid additional  work for the teachers . running lamington drives and other fundraisers to eke some more out of the better heeled parents. its a lose lose.

[izabsmiling]

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@poddster wrote:

Martinus, change you tactics. I have known many many women who have risen to the top, earned respect in their chosen profession, and were recognised for their ability. None of those women demanded that they be treated in any special way they just did it.

That takes a special skill which some don't have 😉

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I'm wondering if you know many men who no matter what their position were intelligent,mature and accountable enough to understand that their  gender didn't give them a right to abuse others and/or naturally assume that it gives them superiority ?

[daydream**believer]

BRAVO master and commander