Monis or Manteqi ? why was he still in Australia

[ca04]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/25796635/australia-refused-to-extradite-siege-gunman/

[debra9275]

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@icyfroth wrote:

Because he's an Aussie and he's one of ours. We paid welfare for him over 20 years and footed his legal costs over the murder of his wife for which he was out on bail for being an accesory, so why wouldn't we?

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did we pay welfare and legal costs?? I haven't seen anything about that yet

[gleee58]

abbott harped on about it today.

[cherry*135]

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@the_hawk* wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

The current laws doesn't allow citizenship to be revoked. Your question (Monis or Manteqi ? why was he still in Australia) is a bit redundant in light of that.

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rubbish, gee its not hard to find information.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=revoking+australian+citizenship&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=mn...

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List ALL the people who have had their citizenship revoked in the last 50 years then.

http://www.findlaw.com.au/articles/4356/can-you-ever-lose-your-australian-citizenship-stat.aspx

Although an Australian citizen by birth or a person who has been granted citizenship after disclosing their full personal history to the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (the Department) cannot have their citizenship revoked under any circumstance.

Which one of these applies to Mr Monis??????????????????????????????????

Revoking a citizenship

The power to revoke an Australian citizenship is vested with the Minister of Immigration and Citizenship (the Minister) and can be done so in the following instances:

• the person has been found guilty of making a false or misleading statement in relating to their citizenship application

• the person has been convicted of an offence against either an Australian or foreign law and have either been sentenced to death, or a term of imprisonment for 12 months or more

• the person has been convicted of a serious criminal offence and has been sentenced to at least 12 months imprisonment at any time prior to becoming a citizen

• the person has gained citizenship either through migration, or third party fraud

• the Minister is satisfied that it would be contrary to the public interest if a person remains an Australian citizen. Mr Monis wasn't on any Minister's radar before the siege

Revoking a person’s citizenship is a serious undertaking and the action can only be carried out under limited circumstances. Also, allow us to reemphasise that if you are a citizen by birth, or have already been granted citizenship legitimately, you will remain an Australian unless you choose to renounce your citizenship.

[debra9275]

oh, I don't listen to him lol

thanks Glee

[cherry*135]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

The current laws doesn't allow citizenship to be revoked. Your question (Monis or Manteqi ? why was he still in Australia) is a bit redundant in light of that.

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as of 13 Feb 2014

http://www.citizenship.gov.au/current/losing_citizenship/

If you became a citizen by application you can have your citizenship taken away if you are found to have committed a serious criminal offence prior to gaining citizenship. Australian citizenship can be revoked if:

• you have been convicted of making a false statement or representation in relation to your application to become an Australian citizen
• you are convicted of a serious criminal offence at any time prior to becoming a citizen involving a sentence of 12 months or more
• your approval to become an Australian citizen was gained as a result of migration-related fraud
• your approval to become an Australian citizen was gained as a result of third party fraud; for example, fraudulent conduct by a migration agent in the citizenship application
• it would be contrary to the public interest for you to remain an Australian citizen.

An Australian citizen by birth cannot have their Australian citizenship revoked. Similarly, a person conferred citizenship, after fully disclosing all relevant factors, cannot have their Australian citizenship revoked.

People who have their citizenship revoked can be removed from Australia.

Children

Children under the age of 18 may also have their citizenship revoked unless the other responsible parent is an Australian citizen or the child would become stateless.

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[ca04]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

The current laws doesn't allow citizenship to be revoked. Your question (Monis or Manteqi ? why was he still in Australia) is a bit redundant in light of that.

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as of 13 Feb 2014

http://www.citizenship.gov.au/current/losing_citizenship/

If you became a citizen by application you can have your citizenship taken away if you are found to have committed a serious criminal offence prior to gaining citizenship. Australian citizenship can be revoked if:

• you have been convicted of making a false statement or representation in relation to your application to become an Australian citizen
• you are convicted of a serious criminal offence at any time prior to becoming a citizen involving a sentence of 12 months or more
• your approval to become an Australian citizen was gained as a result of migration-related fraud
• your approval to become an Australian citizen was gained as a result of third party fraud; for example, fraudulent conduct by a migration agent in the citizenship application
• it would be contrary to the public interest for you to remain an Australian citizen.

An Australian citizen by birth cannot have their Australian citizenship revoked. Similarly, a person conferred citizenship, after fully disclosing all relevant factors, cannot have their Australian citizenship revoked.

People who have their citizenship revoked can be removed from Australia.

Children

Children under the age of 18 may also have their citizenship revoked unless the other responsible parent is an Australian citizen or the child would become stateless.

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Thanks Julia you saved me from having to post it this morning.

[ca04]

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@am*3 wrote:

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

The current laws doesn't allow citizenship to be revoked. Your question (Monis or Manteqi ? why was he still in Australia) is a bit redundant in light of that.

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as of 13 Feb 2014

http://www.citizenship.gov.au/current/losing_citizenship/

If you became a citizen by application you can have your citizenship taken away if you are found to have committed a serious criminal offence prior to gaining citizenship. Australian citizenship can be revoked if:

• you have been convicted of making a false statement or representation in relation to your application to become an Australian citizen
• you are convicted of a serious criminal offence at any time prior to becoming a citizen involving a sentence of 12 months or more
• your approval to become an Australian citizen was gained as a result of migration-related fraud
• your approval to become an Australian citizen was gained as a result of third party fraud; for example, fraudulent conduct by a migration agent in the citizenship application
• it would be contrary to the public interest for you to remain an Australian citizen.

An Australian citizen by birth cannot have their Australian citizenship revoked. Similarly, a person conferred citizenship, after fully disclosing all relevant factors, cannot have their Australian citizenship revoked.

People who have their citizenship revoked can be removed from Australia.

Children

Children under the age of 18 may also have their citizenship revoked unless the other responsible parent is an Australian citizen or the child would become stateless.

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"am*3"   the red bit does not mean you cannot have your citizenship revoked at all. It means you must have told the truth and not lied or hidden anything  on your application or not been acriminal ect.

[***super_nova***]

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@ca04 wrote:

Courts seem to have forgotten, like pollies, that they are there to reflect the wishes of the people of australia.

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No, actually, courts are not there tho 'reflect people's wishes", courts are there to uphold the law, and the law says that person is innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.  This guy had very solid alibi for the time of the murder, he was at the police station reporting burglary - or the cops were in his place looking at it?  Something like that.  Judges have their hands tied, they have to make decisions based on legal precedents, even if they personally do not agree with it.  Police pretty much always object bail application, that is the game.

But the problem is much deeper; out prisons are busting in seems, and it costs some $100 000 p/a to keep person in prison.  Who is going to pay the billions more it would cost if all the people, not yet convicted , were imprisoned? 

Wouldn't it be lovely if our judges were supernatural beings able to foresee future. 

[raptor_rebooted]

The current laws doesn't allow citizenship to be revoked. Your question (Monis or Manteqi ? why was he still in Australia) is a bit redundant in light of that.

that statement is misleading and needed

to be corrected (at least acknowledge that so

there is no further confusion)

what you should have asked was - which

current revocation laws could've applied to monis ?

[azureline**]

Makes no difference now.

I do hope his body has not been claimed and not been buried already as custom dictates for Muslims.

He doesn't deserve that ritual.