Mosques being built

[lobs211]

Bendigo is in the goldfields - beautiful old buildings, unbelievable gardens, right into sport, really good looking place.

Very multi cultural - stong Indigenous history, huge Chinese history (museum, gardens, joss house etc etc), heaps of Karen refugess, biggest Buddhist Temple and Centre so u can see it very multi cultural

What we dont have is a mosque. What the Muslims are planning to build is a mosque.

OMG = Shame Job = people are protesting, I am so embarrassed by these people. Why these people do this? Are they ignorant or what? Or are they really truly scared these Muslims (Who live here already) are all of a sudden gonna turn into terrorists cos they have a mosque?  This is very weird.................. they pray now but at the Uni, there be a prayer room, whatever thats called, they want there own place.

So I ask these people - "What exactly is the problem here?" And I get stuff like "terrorists, go home to their own country (When they say this I lift an eyebrow and stare at em but they miss it ofcourse)

Im not Muslim, I dont even know a Muslim but I dont understand one bit why we protest against people wanting a church, this embarrasses me LOL

Do you people have mosques near you? Is this a big deal?

[boris1gary]

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@lakeland27 wrote:

 the locals used to complain a bit boris, and most of them were orthodox.

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egg shells are biodegradable, birds actually eat them, whats the problem - better than beer cans in the garden from neighbouring drinkers. I suppose the red shells appeal to me because they are red.

[the_great_she_elephant]

Lobs, we had the same problem here. A local doctor headed a committee looking to build a mosque in a rural/semi indusrial area just out of town. the few residents living close to the proposed site complained to the Council , so it looks like permission will not be given The compainants argued that .that it would cause, noise and traffic chaos and lower house prices, but judging from some of the ensuing letters to our local paper, I suspect they would not have complained if had been a christian Church.

[**meep**]

Is this thread in response to Love Today's comment she made on the other thread?   Very subtle

Im not Muslim, I dont even know a Muslim but I dont understand one bit why we protest against people wanting a church, this embarrasses me LOL

To understand why residents would protest, we would need to find out more about the actual proposal.  I have two large Mosques in my area, a couple  of the largest in Australia.   I do remember the protests against one of them being built.   When you consider the Mosques are opened to 5 daily prayers that can attract 100's of worshippers and as many as 2000 for Friday prayers, I am sure you can appreciate the concerns about  traffic and noise.

There are quite a few smaller Mosques in my area but there were no objections from the residents as the buildings do not thave the capacity to accommodate thousands.  They're not bigger than an average house in the area.

I do like the idea of having smaller places of worship.  We have a few Churches in the area as well, a couple of Buddhist temples too.  While I love the fact that I have a local Church I can attend, would I like to live next door to one?  Probably not.  I would definitely not like a Cathedral being built on my street.

I think you will find that most residents are actually OK with the Mosque in Bendigo.

There were protest against an 800-seat  Exclusive Brethren Church being built on the Central Coast.   How would you feel about that being planned  in your area?    I believe the plans have been amended to reduce the size of the Church.

Or are they really truly scared these Muslims (Who live here already) are all of a sudden gonna turn into terrorists cos they have a mosque?

I am sure that a vocal minority do use that as their argument just as some are opposed to the Exclusive Brethren beliefs or those who are opposed to Hillsong.  Would you like Hillsong  Church near you?  

Reports like these do not exactly help either:

From SBS

The federal government says it is investigating the case of a top Al-Qaeda recruiter from Yemen, who allegedly addressed young Australian muslims at Sydney's Lakemba mosque in February last year.

Anwar Awlaki has been described as the number one threat to the United States.

The CIA says he was a key figure behjind the September 11 hijackings, an influence on the alledged attempted bomber of a plane on Christmas Day last year, and the Major who was charged with killing 13 people at the Fort Hood military base in Texas in last November.

Now, its been revealed that Anwar Awlaki was allegedly in talks with an Australian Muslim Youth group.

According to a report in the Sydney Morning herald, Al-Awlaki delivered a telephone linked sermon from Yemen to hundreds of young Australian mulsims at Sydney's Lakemba mosque.

Prominent Islamic leader, Sheikh Taj Al-din Al Hilali says he is outraged that the known extremist tried to influence muslim youth.

"Anwar Al-Awlaki or any man like this, is dangerous for our children, our society, our community and our whole world", he told SBS.

The sermon has caused deep divisions within the mosque, and organisers of the Al-Awlaki sermon have been forced to step down - and according to Sheikh Hilali - now have no influence.

The director of Lakemba mosque said the board was having an emergency meeting on Thursday night to discuss the issue, and will release a statement by Wednesay morning.

Terrorism experts say this latest revelation is deeply concerning.

[**meep**]

Very multi cultural - stong Indigenous history, huge Chinese history (museum, gardens, joss house etc etc), heaps of Karen refugess, biggest Buddhist Temple and Centre so u can see it very multi cultural

Wasn't there initially some opposition to building of the Great Stupa?  What were the reasons?

[lakeland27]

''The CIA says he was a key figure behjind the September 11 hijackings, an influence on the alledged attempted bomber of a plane on Christmas Day last year, and the Major who was charged with killing 13 people at the Fort Hood military base in Texas in last November.''

they 'say' an awful lot. the number of people they link to things increases all the time, its hard to see if what they 'say' is all true. how it could be kept secret.. considering they have implicated half the planet by now.

[boris1gary]

yes there are many examples of extremists in religions, no more than extremist Christians - below are just a few examples, there are many many more.

Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012. The virulent, neocon-fueled Islamophobia that has plagued post-9/11 America has not only posed a threat to Muslims, it has had deadly consequences for people of other faiths, including Sikhs. Sikhs are not Muslims; the traditional Sikh attire, including their turbans, is different from traditional Sunni, Shiite or Sufi attire. But to a racist, a bearded Sikh looks like a Muslim. Only four days after 9/11, Balbir Singh Sodhi, a Sikh immigrant from India who owned a gas station in Mesa, Arizona, was murdered by Frank Silva Roque, a racist who obviously mistook him for a Muslim.

But Sodhi’s murder was not the last example of anti-Sikh violence in post-9/11 America. On Aug. 5, 2012, white supremacist Wade Michael Page used a semiautomatic weapon to murder six people during an attack on a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Page’s connection to the white supremacist movement was well-documented: he had been a member of the neo-Nazi rock bands End Empathy and Definite Hate. Attorney General Eric Holder described the attack as “an act of terrorism, an act of hatred.” It was good to see the nation’s top cop acknowledge that terrorist acts can, in fact, involve white males murdering people of color.

2. The murder of Dr. George Tiller, May 31, 2009. Imagine that a physician had been the victim of an attempted assassination by an Islamic jihadist in 1993, and received numerous death threats from al-Qaeda after that, before being murdered by an al-Qaeda member. Neocons, Fox News and the Christian Right would have had a field day. A physician was the victim of a terrorist killing that day, but neither the terrorist nor the people who inflamed the terrorist were Muslims. Dr. George Tiller, who was shot and killed by anti-abortion terrorist Scott Roeder on May 31, 2009, was a victim of Christian Right terrorism, not al-Qaeda.

Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008. On July 27, 2008, Christian Right sympathizer Jim David Adkisson walked into the Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee during a children’s play and began shooting people at random. Two were killed, while seven others were injured but survived. Adkisson said he was motivated by a hatred of liberals, Democrats and gays, and he considered neocon Bernard Goldberg’s book, 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America, his political manifesto. Adkisson (who pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree murder and is now serving life in prison without parole) was vehemently anti-abortion, but apparently committing an act of terrorism during a children’s play was good ol’ Republican family values. While Adkisson’s act of terrorism was reported on Fox News, it didn't get the round-the-clock coverage an act of Islamic terrorism would have garnered

The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996. Paul Jennings Hill is hardly the only Christian terrorist who has been praised by the Army of God; that organization has also praised Eric Rudolph, who is serving life without parole for a long list of terrorist attacks committed in the name of Christianity. Rudolph is best known for carrying out the Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta during the 1996 Summer Olympics—a blast that killed spectator Alice Hawthorne and wounded 111 others. Hawthorne wasn’t the only person Rudolph murdered: his bombing of an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama in 1998 caused the death of Robert Sanderson (a Birmingham police officer and part-time security guard) and caused nurse Emily Lyons to lose an eye.

Suicide attack on IRS building in Austin, Texas, Feb. 18, 2010. When Joseph Stack flew a plane into the Echelon office complex (where an IRS office was located), Fox News’ coverage of the incident was calm and matter-of-fact. Republican Rep. Steve King of Iowa seemed to find the attack amusing and joked that it could have been avoided if the federal government had followed his advice and abolished the IRS. Nonetheless, there were two fatalities: Stack and IRS employee Vernon Hunter. Stack left behind a rambling suicide note outlining his reasons for the attack, which included a disdain for the IRS as well as total disgust with health insurance companies and bank bailouts. Some of the most insightful coverage of the incident came from Noam Chomsky, who said that while Stack had some legitimate grievances—millions of Americans shared his outrage over bank bailouts and the practices of health insurance companies—the way he expressed them was absolutely wrong.

[**meep**]

I am just going by the reaction from the local Muslim Leaders in my area.

The sermon has caused deep divisions within the mosque, and organisers of the Al-Awlaki sermon have been forced to step down.

[lobs211]

Meep PMSL at me being subtle responding to some other thread!! ha ha ahh no, I have no idea what Love Today wrote on another thread.................  and it not me to be subtle about anything, ive already been in trouble on this thread for not being subtle.....

One would hope people dont write things like that to cause trouble for me.... I get into enough on my own - thanks

Ele, there is only a small number of Muslims here compared to other places, I wonder if the noise is the issue, when I have asked noone has said noise.. hmmmm

Will be interesting to see how it all pans out - I hope they get it 🙂

[**meep**]

yes there are many examples of extremists in religions, no more than extremist Christians - below are just a few examples, there are many many more.

Not sure what you're getting at.....Are those reasons to protest against building more Churches?

[lakeland27]

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@**meep** wrote:

I am just going by the reaction from the local Muslim Leaders in my area.

The sermon has caused deep divisions within the mosque, and organisers of the Al-Awlaki sermon have been forced to step down.

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 fair enough, but we don't see much genuine terrorist activity here. sometimes i think that some elements are secretly disappointed by this as it would back their anti-islam agenda up .. and of course the victims would go to heaven so no harm done they tell themselves...