Moving into COVID-Normal...? Preparing for a post-COVID world, or "Living with COVID-19"

We're not there yet. We're not yet at a stage where we can truly consider the world to have moved to COVID-normal. But we can see it on the horizon, and we can start to live in a way that is locally "living with COVID-19", barring any setbacks with more virulent or more infectious strains of SARS-CoV-2.

 

This is due to the vaccines that have been developed, approved, and administered in Australia and in many parts of the world.

 

If you read the thread State by State, Australia vs Elsewhere, in the age of COVID-19 and beyond, particularly in reference to the Australian CHO Prof. Paul Kelly's opinion piece, that article in the post to which I've linked raises some interesting points.

 

It brings to the forefront of my mind a perception that the deaths and adverse outcomes he mentions are not acceptable. In the same way, I do not consider any preventable deaths as acceptable. It may be a pragmatic reality that such deaths and adverse outcomes occur; however, there are simple things we can do to limit those outcomes.

 

I have been advocating for certain hygiene measures and air purification measures for some time. That has to step up now. Some of these measures cost absolutely nothing; some will require some financial outlay. But what is the cost of human life?

 

  • We must keep up the hand hygiene, and pass on those lessons to the next generation and the generation beyond that. COST: negligible. (Soap and water; ~70% alcohol-containing hand sanitiser; alcohol wipes for doors, rails, high touch areas, to prevent transmission by fomites)
  • It would be a good idea always to have a P2/N95 mask with us in the event of having respiratory symptoms, or being in the presence of anyone with such symptoms. COST: negligible for close-fitting cloth masks  washed daily. Higher cost if using reusable P2/N95 masks, and higher still if using single-use P2/N95 masks. Highest cost if test-fitted. (For immunocompromised individuals or those in close contact with such individuals or working in medical/health care settings, such a cost is not only affordable, but justified.)
  • If we wear a mask (so, presumably in a risky setting) and in the course of doing so TOUCH OUR MASK, such as adjusting it, or even fleetingly coming into contact with the outside of the mask, we must as soon as possible sanitise our hands. Do not touch your eyes or your ear or anyone else or another surface before sanitising your hands. COST: nothing.
  • There are crowded or high density settings that are unnecessary and can be avoided; maintain social distancing if possible and if appropriate. In social friendly settings, once we can relax and get back to hugging people and shaking hands, there will always be a risk but that is part of the price of being social beings and enjoying human relationships. COST: nothing.
  • If we experience symptoms of illness, we must not have the attitude of soldiering on. We must STAY HOME, and get tested for COVID-19 if our symptoms are associated with those of COVID-19. COST: unknown. This may result in more sick days, but these sorts of things are the reason for us having sick days - not to "chuck a sickie" and hoof off to the cricket or the footie.
  • If we are unwell, we MUST NOT VISIT HOSPITALS or AGED CARE or ANY INDIVIDUAL WHO IS VULNERABLE TO INFECTION. This includes stomach upsets and diarrhoea. Hospitals have had signs up warning visitors of precisely this for many years, but visitors persistently disregard this or talk themselves out of caring. That can no longer happen. We must stay away if we have or have recently had those symptoms, or we run the risk of bringing severe sickness or worse to the people we love most. COST: nothing.
  • If you have visitors to your home, open up your windows. This will increase ventilation and lower the risk of transmission of airborne viruses. COST: nothing.
  • Get a good HEPA air purifier if this is affordable within your budget. COST: variable, but  you can certainly get a good quality air purifier for $500 or perhaps a little more. There are mobile air purifiers available so that you can move it to where you are, thus maximising its effectiveness. Make sure it is big enough for the area, otherwise it will not provide the required purification effectiveness.
  • Now that rapid antigen tests are available, they should be used in appropriate settings. They are not a substitute for a nasopharyngeal swab, but they have their uses.

We should attempt to make Australia a nation of healthy individuals, but this is an immense task. Being healthy and fit reduces risk factors, so it does make sense for us to optimise our state of fitness. COST: I could say "nothing", but the truth is that this is a magic health outcome that GPs and nutritionists have been trying to achieve for a very long time. Ah well, that's a discussion for another day.

 

All of these measures can only help us in this Delta-variant world if the great majority are vaccinated.

 

 

 

And... of course... we have a responsibility to make those vaccines available to each nation and each individual. If we don't help the poor, not only is that our moral shame but it is an ongoing risk to every single one of us.

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It may be difficult for humans to completely eliminate this virus, and it is impossible for humans to block forever. Is it inevitable that COVID-19 will become an endemic disease? Instead, humanity should try a "new normal" of coexistence with the virus. Is this really possible?

The characteristic of the spread of the new coronavirus is that as long as you have any loophole, it will affect the whole situation. We have always felt that the virus is not so scary until a while ago, a friend of ours was on the street with a confirmed case of COVID-19. Then she was diagnosed. Without wearing a mask, can a distance of about 0.5 meters cause transmission? And is it outdoors? The answer is yes. No matter how the new coronavirus mutates, it is still spread through droplets, contact, etc. To prevent virus infection, standardized wearing of masks, frequent hand washing, hand disinfection, and maintaining a safe distance are the most cost-effective and simplest means of protection.

The virus will eventually be eliminated, but some practices are not advisable for many people. Excessive disinfection not only fails to achieve better results, but also tends to increase people's panic.

Also: have you noticed a lessening of the shocking horror response to the death toll? Take precautions and do everything we can to minimize risk. We can't get used to this pandemic, we can't stand it! The deaths and adverse consequences it causes are unacceptable.

Immune cells in our bodies are super-powerful weapons to kill the new coronavirus. If the number and types of immune cells in a person are large enough, and the activity is strong enough, even if they are unfortunately infected with the new coronavirus, they may be asymptomatic to a large extent. Heaven is impermanent, only self-improvement and improving one's own immunity are powerful weapons to defeat the new crown virus!

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@countessalmirena wrote:

Today has thrown me a curveball.

 

She'd seen him just yesterday, after he'd had a negative RAT result.

 

Well, we'll ride out this week with extreme caution, and take a RAT each in 3 or so days. If it's positive, I'll have to liaise with our GP to prescribe molnupiravir for vulnerable family member.

 

For anyone who thinks this pandemic is over (and unfortunately there are some), I can only refer them to the French Guards in Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail for an appropriate response.

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There are no guarantees in life of course but I would say you and your family members are unlikely to get it from this encounter.

 

Your friend may get it but if so, she probably won't show symptoms for a few days and I would doubt that she was infectious yesterday.

 

I feel though that it is inevitable we will all come in contact with the virus eventually.

The more of our population that is up to date with vaccinations, the better the chance though that we can slow the spread to controllable levels, as we do with the flu (which is itself a potentially serious illness).

 

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Yes, some good points in your post celestialinter0. The panic has been fueled by the media and stocked by politicians for their political gain as well and lobbyists.

 

Improving the immunity is paramount and with early stage treatment and great path to follow. Promotion of healthy lifestyle,  taking away the power of corporations to pollute our food, genetically modify it etc. is so important!

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So far, so good.

 

 

I'm grateful for all of the precautions that we've been taking, and the way in which my contacts (usually both professional colleagues and personal friends being combined) have rallied around very consistently in terms of the hygiene, health and safety measures about which I posted in my opening post.

 

Some people are just selfish... while some are genuinely concerned about humanity and about valuing and protecting other people.

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So good to hear - was very worried for Mum. 😘

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Some people only focus on themselves - their rights, their choice, their entitlements. Clearly, they do not care about infecting other people, including children, as was the case with Novak Djokovic. And they very obviously don't care about the impact on the health system or the staff. Selfishness and asocial behavior  don't go well with a pandemic!

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@not_for_sale2025 wrote:

Some people only focus on themselves - their rights, their choice, their entitlements. Clearly, they do not care about infecting other people, including children, as was the case with Novak Djokovic. And they very obviously don't care about the impact on the health system or the staff. Selfishness and asocial behavior  don't go well with a pandemic!


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Not true. Most people who have decided not to be "jabbed" are responsible people who would self-isolate as much as anyone else. Due to the fact that "vaccinated" people spread the virus as well, any condemnation of them on that is wrong.

 

Mr. Djokovic challenged something that was not valid in the true sense. Not everything he did was correct but he was right challenging the unjust no-vax no entry rule.

 

People who are unjabbed are health conscious usually and keep healthy.  Any unjabbed folk who end up in hospital would not be there if they had access to early stage successful oral drug treatment. Just ask the experts!

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4channel, I respectfully ask you to please keep to the topic. This thread has nothing to do with anti vaccination stances or a tennis star. You can post that sort of thing more appropriately in the threads that are on this very board, specifically focused on those topics.

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Mr Djokovic attended a meeting with junior tennis players, maskless, the day after he was diagnosed with Covid-19. What more selfish, uncaring, and dangerous behavior could a person with the illness carry out. Disgusting and unacceptable.

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