NBN Rollout

[pct001wine]

From now on monthly Ready for Service lists and other key details will only be  available via the NBN Co sales portal, which isn't open to the  public. Instead the government will issue a weekly progress report  indicating the overall number of premises passed, premises serviceable and  services activated. These national figures will not breakdown the rollout to  specific locations. The figures no longer include areas where construction has  "commenced", as Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull says they "do not  necessarily provide a meaningful indicator of progress".

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/blogs/gadgets-on-the-go/nbn-co-rewrites-rollout-map--wi...

Seems a bit like the weekly reporting of boat arrivals.   Is this the hallmark of this new government - giving us the news they want us to have ?  Where's the transparency ?

[monman12]

FN: "If we're talking generalisations you could say Labor have the vision to start massive projects while the Libs fight and destroy as best they can before getting elected to take the glory." ???

Well they were elected by a good majority, but where, when, what is this "glory" the Libs want to take?

FN:  ".....Labor have the vision to start massive project....."

In a report released on 22 January 2003 the Howard government's Broadband Advisory Group (BAG) recommended the Federal Government work with other governments and industry stakeholders to form a "national broadband network"

An implementation study was commissioned in April 2009 and released on 6 May 2010 by the Rudd Government

Massive post visionary myopia?

nɥºɾ

[lakeland27]

LL: "You missed the point, it wasn't envisaged with small private investors like you in mind"

LL it would have to be small investors like myself via an initial public offering (IPO),  because no institutional investor would be interested, as things are,  with the ALP NBN, but who do you think would be keen in paying full outlay/asset value for the NBN in 20-30-40 years?

So, it would be up to a government to fund it ?  i think we understand the matter well enough, but draw different conclusions. to me the points you make are also a case for government funding as the returns are slow coming in. leaving what other choice ? build nothing at all ? even Abbott conceded that one.

the new model will cost more in the long term , and need doing again. to me, that is nonsensical.

[cherry*135]

Is it true some poor Eastern European countries have a better broadband service than Australia? My daughter told me that.

 What’s more interesting is how fast Eastern Europe is catching up; the rest of the top five are all Eastern European nations, with Romania at #2 (1,909KBps) Bulgaria #3 (1,611KBps), Lithuania #4 (1,462KBps) and Latvia at #5 (1,377KBps).

[freakiness]

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@monman12 wrote:

FN: "If we're talking generalisations you could say Labor have the vision to start massive projects while the Libs fight and destroy as best they can before getting elected to take the glory." ???

Well they were elected by a good majority, but where, when, what is this "glory" the Libs want to take?

FN:  ".....Labor have the vision to start massive project....."

In a report released on 22 January 2003 the Howard government's Broadband Advisory Group (BAG) recommended the Federal Government work with other governments and industry stakeholders to form a "national broadband network"

An implementation study was commissioned in April 2009 and released on 6 May 2010 by the Rudd Government

Massive post visionary myopia?

nɥºɾ

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So Howard released a report and Labor created a company to build the network.

[freakiness]

If Abbott had won in 1949 he would have cancelled the Snowy Scheme.

[monman12]

FN: "So Howard released a report and Labor created a company to build the network."

".....Labor have the vision to start massive project....."

Finishing is also very important FN

Now the findings of  the strategic review of the national broadband network, " Labor's network".

Stephen Bartholomeusz

"According to the findings of the review, three years into the rollout it is already two years behind schedule, would be completed three years late and, on its current model and trajectory, would have a peak funding requirement of $72.6 billion.

The review (which included external advice from Boston Consulting, KordaMentha and Deloitte) concluded that without change, NBN Co would not deliver a return on capital, let alone the 7.1 per cent return that Conroy has consistently insisted would be achieved.

The review was less than complimentary about NBN Co's culture, which it said was ''corrosive of performance'',  and the lack of expertise relevant to an infrastructure of the NBN's scale.

NBN Co would have had to significantly increase user charges – the review says by 50 per cent to 80 per cent across the board  to deliver its promised return."

As I commented many a time "I would not  touch  the ALP NBN with an investment  barge-pole",  or would the investment community.

[lakeland27]

MM I've never argued that you should. if you don't like public projects and the idea of patient capital just say so. the thing is with this that they lied again. they promised 'cheaper quicker' and now they say 'sorry  you wont have the speeds now' blah blah blah.

How can you possibly think that half building the network , and then having to virtually do it again can be more cost effective ? do you know why they didn't publish the figures on maintenance for the existing copper network ? because it makes them look stupid and wasteful that's why. turnbull has completely trashed his cred now.

[carls*world]

I'll probably be able to post this in another 3 years time, no matter which side is spinning the spin.

[poddster]

As I have been saying for over 3 years now.

The NBN is a very large expensive white elephant.

It was never going to work as sold to the Sheepies, it was a vote grabber aimed at  young illinformed voters who wanted their downloads faster.  The vote grabbing ploy worked the NBN performed as I predicted.

[silverfaun]

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@monman12 wrote:

FN: "The NBN was a good project, the end result of which would be a valuable network for the future."

So why if it was such a good project was it forced upon the population as a legislated monopoly, and under the original NBN agreement, all Telstra customers on HFC cable had to be switched to fibre,  Testra's copper network was to be (by blackmail)  decommissioned and Optus was forced to shut down its cable operations.

From the first customers in 2010, so far a total of 70,100 premises have been “activated” – about half with fibre and half with satellite and wireless.   Wow!

Finally, from DeLimiter / Renai LeMay  Oct 13, 2013

“The National Broadband Network project has abjectly failed every construction target ever set for it, its rollout has slowed to a deadly slow crawl, and even its founder, former Communications Minister Stephen Conroy, has admitted the previous Labor Government drastically underestimated the amount of work involved in delivering it."

No wonder the ALP legislated it to be a monopoly, and ensured there was no competition.

nɥºɾ

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I'm afraid all the lefterds are still in denial, still think everything Labor did was wonderful & the total failures they perpetrated on Australia never happened.

I's frightening how they are bleating about what a total failure the Conservative Govt. is after 100days. Have they ever stopped to think about what they inherited.....hmmmm, no.