on 04-04-2013 11:04 PM
I found this article today.
It addresses some of the issues I see repeated frequently, often by people who know better.
As I trial user I am totally sold on the NBN as an FTTP project.
In my lifetime I've seen the expansion of the copper network until it's limits have been reached. And I've seen the emergence of optical fibre connectivity from the trunk lines and big business to the NBN. There's been private rollouts to specific estates and other estates with Telstra. TransACT tried a variety of technologies before settling on FTTP, much the same as the NBN.
It's a great investment for us all. And about the furthest thing from short term election cycle investment in decades.
I'm happy to post the rest of the article if anyone doesn't like links but would like to read it.
It is only going to get worse. Ever since it was first announced more than four years ago, the national broadband network has polarised people, including those whose official public comments add considerably to the debate. Some of it is erroneous and misleading, according to the experts. And even then, experts' opinions vary.
IT Pro asked about a dozen Australian academic institutions to compile a list of statements they believe are inaccurate. Three of them responded with the following comments. You might like to add your own in the comments below.
"Alternative technology" not really an alternative now
Mark Gregory, senior lecturer at RMIT's school of electrical and computer engineering, said the public is being misled on how alternative technologies including hybrid fiber-coaxial (HFC) and fibre-to-the-node (FTTN) could be used to replace fibre-to-the-premise (FTTP) and speed up the NBN rollout.
"To change direction now requires major, multi-billion dollar contracts be renegotiated with Telstra, Optus and Vodafone – and there is no reason why any of these companies would agree to proceed."
He said there was also a multitude of construction contracts that would need to be changed or exited, placing a burden on taxpayers.
"Evidence is emerging as the NBN rollout proceeds that the copper network is beyond saving, network plant and infrastructure requires substantial maintenance and upgrades, and there are more network black-spots than previously identified.
"The Australian public is being hoodwinked by false statements that have been substantively disproved," Gregory said.
Are you in favour if the NBN as it stands?
on 04-04-2013 11:21 PM
Yes, in favour. Can't wait to get connected to it again, hopefully in a couple of months time.
on 04-04-2013 11:52 PM
ACCC acts to ensure NBN won't cost more than current servicesBY:MITCHELL BINGEMANN From:The Australian April 04, 2013 12:47PM
THE competition watchdog has again rejected the NBN Co's regulatory undertaking to set the long-term pricing and access arrangements to the $37.4 billion fibre network.
In another blow to the progress of the government's National Broadband Network, the Australian Competition & Consumer Commission said it was unable to accept the NBN Co's "special access undertaking" (SAU) until better regulatory oversight and more flexible reviews of broadband pricing changes were included.
The SAU is a crucial regulatory filing that will govern the NBN Co's pricing and access arrangements for the next three decades.
In its draft decision the ACCC said that while a number of features in the SAU "have merit" - including its modular design and a commitment to cap price increases to the inflation rate, minus 1.5 per cent - the regulator stressed the importance that obligations on access seekers like Telstra, Optus and iiNet were reasonable.
"The ACCC's preliminary view is that it is not satisfied that the SAU meets the relevant criteria for acceptance," ACCC chairman Rod Sims said.
"The SAU is a complex undertaking that NBN Co proposes will operate until 2040. It is therefore important that the rights or obligations the SAU imposes on NBN Co, access seekers and the ACCC are reasonable, in the long-term interests of end-users and clearly expressed so that they are well understood by all parties."
The ACCC has proposed that it have greater control over the introduction and withdrawal of new products to ensure it can enforce price caps. It also wants to be able to periodically review usage charges and allow wholesale customers to negotiate directly with NBN Co over non price terms. The ACCC has set a May deadline for the changes to be made by the NBN co.
Mr Sims said the proposed changes would not affect NBN Co's ability to recover its costs or generate returns for the government, provided it builds the network efficiently.
"An SAU varied in line with the ACCC's proposals would provide considerable certainty to NBN Co that it will be able to recover the prudent costs of its investment, subject, of course, to demand for its services meeting expectations," he said.
"NBN Co's assets would not be subject to re-valuation once the NBN is built, and any changes to price structures would be revenue neutral."
The NBN Co welcomed the draft decision by the ACCC, saying it sets out a clear path towards a final SAU.
"We appreciate that the ACCC has a challenging task in balancing the views of a range of stakeholders in order to achieve a framework that is in the long-term interests of end users," said Caroline Lovell, NBN Co head of regulatory affairs and industry analysis.
"We will continue to engage with industry and the ACCC as the remaining issues are resolved to ensure that an appropriate balance is achieved."
The rejection is the third time the ACCC has knocked back the NBN Co's SAU and comes after more than 18 months of negotiations. The rejection has already been hailed by the likes of Optus, which described the decision as a "victory" for the telco sector.
"The ACCC's decision on NBN Co's SAU is a victory for common sense. We can't predict the shape of technology or the thinking of NBN executives for 27 years, such agreements need real reviews periodically. This is an important step towards reaching viable regulatory arrangements for the NBN," said Optus corporate and regulatory affairs boss David Epstein.
"Optus is pleased the ACCC understands concerns raised by industry and suggested some important changes that need to be made to NBN Co's SAU for it to be accepted. If adopted, these changes should provide for greater balance and independent oversight in the process of setting access terms to the NBN. They will also provide stronger incentives for NBN Co to invest efficiently and respond to changing market circumstances and customer requirements over time."
Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said in a statement that he welcomed the ACCC's approval of NBN Co's initial pricing structure, despite the commission's long-term concerns.
"The commission's draft decision clearly demonstrates that NBN Co is subject to effective regulatory oversight," he said.
"The SAU model is exactly the type of transparency and rigour the government had in mind when the legislative framework around the National Broadband Network was established."
on 04-04-2013 11:53 PM
Yes, in favour. Can't wait to get connected to it again, hopefully in a couple of months time.
My daughter was scheduled for yesterday but they couldn't get the cable through (after repairs to the old one last year) so now they get to dig a trench and relocate the connection to their garage.
on 04-04-2013 11:58 PM
ACCC acts to ensure NBN won't cost more than current servicesBY:MITCHELL BINGEMANN From:The Australian April 04, 2013 12:47PM
That's got nothing to do with this information.
Why not read the article posted.
The OP is about the misinformation getting repeated over and over not the negotiations with ACCC, which are irrelevant to the subject.
on 04-04-2013 11:59 PM
I think fibre is an excellent means of interconnection.
However, I do not think shutting down a perfectly good Optus HFC network serving over 1 million customers to eliminate competition makes sense. (HFC is a form of FTTN, with co-axial cable connecting premises to the existing fibre nodes)
I do not agree with legislating to also eliminate competition to the NBN by making Telstra decommission its HFC cable broadband and (copper) telephone capabilities.Telstra has 2.4 million retail fixed broadband customers.
Why not keep the HFC networks and connect up first those where cable is not available?
A scheme that is slow, behind schedule (finish after 2021), has not released business details (why not? competition has been eliminated) and has miscalculated those consumers who value mobility and fast-enough wireless broadband
"the government is paying a $108 bounty to ISPs for every customer they connect to the NBN. Conroy was noncommittal when asked whether this would see lower prices for consumers"
I might buy yet more Telstra shares considering the following.
In Australia wireless-only premises comprise 15% of households and are growing steadily even before LTE and 4G are offered!
"last year that almost 36 per cent of US households didn’t have a fixed line and about 16 per cent that did have a fixed line didn’t use it, preferring to make and receive calls on their mobiles. About 60 per cent of those aged between 25 and 29 years were wireless-only."
on 05-04-2013 09:01 AM
I thought this might be a thread to discuss NBN... sorry will take my posts elsewhere..
on 05-04-2013 11:46 AM
listened to the jones-turnbull 2gb interview,
the lies and misinformation that's bein' spread around about the nbn by those two is just flamin' horrifyin'
on 05-04-2013 11:56 AM
listened to the jones-turnbull 2gb interview,
the lies and misinformation that's bein' spread around about the nbn by those two is just flamin' horrifyin'
And it's quite obvious here that people would rather peddle the lies and misinformation.
on 05-04-2013 01:13 PM
I thought this might be a thread to discuss NBN... sorry will take my posts elsewhere..
That is ironic, because when you posted a thread about the NBN, and I replied, you posted you were banging your head or similar because my reply didn't suit your specific NBN topic in the OP.
Can't have it both ways.