NBN debate full of 'erroneous' information

I found this article today.


It addresses some of the issues I see repeated frequently, often by people who know better.


As I trial user I am totally sold on the NBN as an FTTP project.


In my lifetime I've seen the expansion of the copper network until it's limits have been reached.  And I've seen the emergence of optical fibre connectivity from the trunk lines and big business to the NBN.  There's been private rollouts to specific estates and other estates with Telstra. TransACT tried a variety of technologies before settling on FTTP, much the same as the NBN.


 


It's a great investment for us all. And about the furthest thing from short term election cycle investment in decades.


 


I'm happy to post the rest of the article if anyone doesn't like links but would like to read it.


 


It is only going to get worse. Ever since it was first announced more than  four years ago, the national broadband network has polarised people, including  those whose official public comments add considerably to the debate. Some of it  is erroneous and misleading, according to the experts. And even then, experts'  opinions vary.


IT Pro asked about a dozen Australian academic institutions to  compile a list of statements they believe are inaccurate. Three of them  responded with the following comments. You might like to add your own in the  comments below.


                        


"Alternative technology" not really an alternative now


 


Mark Gregory, senior lecturer at RMIT's school of electrical and computer  engineering, said the public is being misled on how alternative technologies  including hybrid fiber-coaxial (HFC) and fibre-to-the-node (FTTN) could be used  to replace fibre-to-the-premise (FTTP) and speed up the NBN rollout.


"To change direction now requires major, multi-billion dollar contracts be  renegotiated with Telstra, Optus and Vodafone – and there is no reason why any  of these companies would agree to proceed."


He said there was also a multitude of construction contracts that would need  to be changed or exited, placing a burden on taxpayers.


"Evidence is emerging as the NBN rollout proceeds that the copper network is  beyond saving, network plant and infrastructure requires substantial maintenance  and upgrades, and there are more network black-spots than previously  identified.


"The Australian public is being hoodwinked by false statements that have been  substantively disproved," Gregory said.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/nbn-debate-full-of-erroneous-information-20130404-2h8m...


 


Are you in favour if the NBN as it stands?

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back it up

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COMMUNICATIONS Minister Stephen Conroy has been accused of misleading consumers over the robustness of NBN Co's corporate plan, after wrongly suggesting on radio today that the document had been signed off by the Auditor-General.


Senator Conroy today disputed a Coalition-commissioned analysis suggesting the NBN would cost $90 billion to complete as being based on “misleading statistics and misleading data”.


However, in doing so, he suggested NBN Co's corporate plan had been audited by the Australian National Audit office.


“The NBN is being built,” Senator Conroy told ABC radio.


“We have nearly one million homes under construction at the moment. The corporate plan, audited by the Auditor-General, is produced each year.


“And what you are seeing in that corporate plan is $37.4 billion is the cost of building the NBN, not as today the Coalition are claiming, $90 billion.”


 


The Australian has confirmed that the Auditor-General has not in fact audited NBN's corporate plan, signing off only on its annual financial statements.


Opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull said: “The NBN Co's corporate plan has not been audited by the Auditor-General. Conroy's statement that it has been is false and he knows it.”


Senator Conroy's claim the network is also on track to connect one million households is also being disputed.


NBN Co. admitted last month that only 190,000 to 220,000 homes would be passed by its cable by July this year, well under the 341,000 target in its corporate plan and 1.3 million predicted by Julia Gillard in December 2010.


“What we're seeing again from Stephen Conroy is the use of a completely meaningless metric designed to exaggerate the progress of the NBN and hide the fact that in terms of houses actually passed, Labor will be lucky to get to around 15 per cent of its original target of passing 1.3 million houses by June,” Mr Turnbull said.


“If Stephen Conroy wants us to believe this project is to be delivered on the budget Labor says it will cost, relying on the NBN corporate plan is not good enough.”


“Stephen Conroy needs to come clean and release how much it is actually costing the NBN to pass each household, which he has so far refused to do.”


Senator Conroy said Mr Turnbull, who will release the Coalition's broadband plan tomorrow, could not be believed on its claims about the NBN's eventual cost.


He said the network would be built for $37.5 billion, not $90 billion as claimed by the opposition.


Senator Conroy said Mr Turnbull was neglecting to tell voters that they would have to pay $5000 to tap into the Coalition's fibre network with a fibre cable, rather than a copper connection, to their home.


He said that was what British Telecom was charging households for fibre connections to the home.


“Malcolm Turnbull wants to charge Australians up to $5000 per home to connect to the National Broadband Network.


“That's what he wants to do. He wants Australian kids to be able to miss out on the best possible educational opportunities because they can't afford the $5000 the Coalition will change.”


Meanwhile, Senator Conroy confirmed Labor had completely abandoned its failed media reform package that it tried to secure support for in the last sitting week of parliament.


“As we said, the policy if parliament wanted to vote for it, it could vote for it; if it didn't want to, then that was the end of it,” he said.


“It won't be our policy going into the next election.”


 

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COMMUNICATIONS Minister Stephen Conroy has been accused of misleading consumers..


opinion pieces are not proof.

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well on the radio and on the TV today I have seen this talked about.. 


 


he lied.. it is that simple.. 


 


 

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well i guess there's little point in saying abbott has lied continuously as has the oz. , it isn't lying, its changing conditions. the really big lie emerges today, the coalition BB NbN (small b for the copper bottleneck that will ensure it;'s second rate)

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FN: "No John, no real threat because our data usage is increasing at a rate the mobile wireless will not keep up for most people."
"Mobile devices are purchased by most people as well as fixed line services."

Really FN, so why did the NBN ask the ACCC to put a clause in its multi-billion-dollar agreement with Telstra that would stop the telco from promoting wireless internet as a substitute for the NBN for two decades ?.

Why did Holmes, a NBN manager, state "NBN Co faces competition from wireless networks that are increasing in capability over time," and "are expected to offer a potential substitute for NBN Co’s voice-only and entry-level voice and broadband services..." ?

FN: "Mobile devices are purchased by most people as well as fixed line services."

I repeat the experience gleaned from the USA:
"last year almost 36 per cent of US households didn’t have a fixed line and about 16 per cent that did have a fixed line didn’t use it, preferring to make and receive calls on their mobiles. About 60 per cent of those aged between 25 and 29 years were wireless-only."

If the above figures are reflected here, and it is apparent that the trend for the younger generation is mobile Internet connections, the forecast  7.1% return (chuckle) for the NBN will not eventuate unless they increase their pricing, which they are free to do.

Finally FN, as you are a keen linker to Delimiter and Renai LeMay, I suggest you read his latest article: "Broken dreams: The NBN’s bubble has burst"

http://delimiter.com.au/2013/03/25/broken-dreams-the-nbns-bubble-has-burst/

"......With its rollout schedule significantly delayed yet again, its contractual and political relationships on the rocks and its transparency thrown out the window, it’s apparent that NBN Co is not delivering the National Broadband Network the nation was promised....."


I might buy some more Telstra shares.

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COMMUNICATIONS Minister Stephen Conroy has been accused of misleading consumers..


opinion pieces are not proof.



 


Hasn't he since admitted to it?

I believe we really need this NBN...maybe not so much for the average household but most certainly for business, education, health etc and we obviously need it concreted in before the LNP gets into office later this year (which is really looking likely to happen like it or not)

The Government isn't doing itself any favors by giving the public misleading information.

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You been watching the drama over the last few days over Conroy's lies about the NBN being audited????? 


 


Busted big time... 


 


My problem is because he stuff up so much I don't believe what he says anymore... he spins more than a washing machine... 


 


 



 


Say what?


 


Did you see the conversation?


Are you talking about where he used the wrong words and corrected himself later?

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well on the radio and on the TV today I have seen this talked about.. 


 


he lied.. it is that simple.. 


 


 



 


BS, He said corporate plan instead of financial plan. He corrected himself.


 


Other people make minor errors all the time, get terminologies wrong. Lately when anyone Labor does slips up and uses the wrong term it becomes the story.


 


Rupert sure hates the NBN.

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Finally FN, as you are a keen linker to Delimiter and Renai LeMay, I suggest you read his latest article: "Broken dreams: The NBN’s bubble has burst"

http://delimiter.com.au/2013/03/25/broken-dreams-the-nbns-bubble-has-burst/
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Latest? That's old news.


I posted links to some more recent articles up ^^


Go to the site there are plenty.


 


Did you actually read it or just go with the heading?

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