NBN debate full of 'erroneous' information

[freakiness]

I found this article today.

It addresses some of the issues I see repeated frequently, often by people who know better.

As I trial user I am totally sold on the NBN as an FTTP project.

In my lifetime I've seen the expansion of the copper network until it's limits have been reached.  And I've seen the emergence of optical fibre connectivity from the trunk lines and big business to the NBN.  There's been private rollouts to specific estates and other estates with Telstra. TransACT tried a variety of technologies before settling on FTTP, much the same as the NBN.

It's a great investment for us all. And about the furthest thing from short term election cycle investment in decades.

I'm happy to post the rest of the article if anyone doesn't like links but would like to read it.

It is only going to get worse. Ever since it was first announced more than  four years ago, the national broadband network has polarised people, including  those whose official public comments add considerably to the debate. Some of it  is erroneous and misleading, according to the experts. And even then, experts'  opinions vary.

IT Pro asked about a dozen Australian academic institutions to  compile a list of statements they believe are inaccurate. Three of them  responded with the following comments. You might like to add your own in the  comments below.

"Alternative technology" not really an alternative now

Mark Gregory, senior lecturer at RMIT's school of electrical and computer  engineering, said the public is being misled on how alternative technologies  including hybrid fiber-coaxial (HFC) and fibre-to-the-node (FTTN) could be used  to replace fibre-to-the-premise (FTTP) and speed up the NBN rollout.

"To change direction now requires major, multi-billion dollar contracts be  renegotiated with Telstra, Optus and Vodafone – and there is no reason why any  of these companies would agree to proceed."

He said there was also a multitude of construction contracts that would need  to be changed or exited, placing a burden on taxpayers.

"Evidence is emerging as the NBN rollout proceeds that the copper network is  beyond saving, network plant and infrastructure requires substantial maintenance  and upgrades, and there are more network black-spots than previously  identified.

"The Australian public is being hoodwinked by false statements that have been  substantively disproved," Gregory said.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/nbn-debate-full-of-erroneous-information-20130404-2h8m...

Are you in favour if the NBN as it stands?

[lakeland27]

seeing as news made up .. fabricated a false figure they cannot back up ?

[poddster]

There is a simple solution LL, an independent cost/benefit would do the trick.

One has to wonder why that was not done in the first place.

No doubt time will uncover a multitude of sins

[not_an_eloi]

watchin' lateline with stephen conroy and emma alberichi

interestin'.       very interestin'

[lakeland27]

There is a simple solution LL, an independent cost/benefit would do the trick.

One has to wonder why that was not done in the first place.

No doubt time will uncover a multitude of sins

no doubt time will make up a multitude of sins, i'm sure. the telegraph have pre-prepared manufactured 'tales' ready to go no doubt.

[freakiness]

There is a simple solution LL, an independent cost/benefit would do the trick.

One has to wonder why that was not done in the first place.

No doubt time will uncover a multitude of sins

Would you like some reading material to get up to speed?

We could start with Renai Lemay @ Delimiter

http://delimiter.com.au/2013/04/08/90bn-nbn-wrong-oakeshott-tells-coalition/

http://delimiter.com.au/2013/03/13/turnbull-faces-questions-on-nbn-journalist-bullying/

http://delimiter.com.au/2013/03/18/nbn-could-cost-100-billion-claims-turnbull/

http://delimiter.com.au/2013/03/01/turnbull-gives-mixed-messages-on-nbn-costbenefit/

http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/24/cheap-stunt-turnbull-rejects-quigleys-olive-branch/

There are links to each article mentioned within those articles.

Do you need more?

How about some Paul Budde next?

[freakiness]

http://www.afr.com/p/technology/piecemeal_contracts_blamed_for_nbn_GQW12ceT5gYroSLaYWQZwL

another one for the pod

It's not hard to understand these issues at this stage of such a massive project. Most large scale projects experience some teething problems. Or some suffer later through lack of early quality control and assessments.

[not_an_eloi]

conroy alleges telegraph is anti-nbn

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2013/s3732570.htm

conroy ain't wrong !

[monman12]

Stephen Bartholomeusz 30th. March
"Even NBN Co itself has mused aloud about whether there should be a fresh look at the costs and benefits of considering a mix of technologies."

"NBN Co's admission that the National Broadband Network faces increasing competition from increasingly sophisticated wireless networks places yet another query over the economics of the network and provides another strand to Malcolm Turnbull's advocacy of a lower-cost NBN using a mix of technologies."

FN: "You need to check the source not what has been written."  ????? I regard what has been written as important and Stephen Bartholomeusz is a reliable source !!!

".......What admission that wireless will be a threat. There has never been such an admission because it will never be a threat....."

The admission was made in response to a request for more information on its demand forecasts from the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission. That response has been published on the ACCC website.

‘’NBN Co faces competition from wireless networks that are increasing in capability over time, subject to significant economies of scale and scope (and therefore decreasing cost per gigabyte delivered) and are expected to offer a potential substitute for NBN Co’s voice-only and entry-level voice and broadband services,’’ Richard Home, NBN Co’s general manager for NBN’s engagement and group co-ordination branch said in the letter."

Will the ACCC suffice as a source FN?.

If you read what I wrote FN, mobile usage and uptake is an increasing competitive (threat)
to the economics of the NBN network, and especially so when viewed from the USA experience. Who knows what 3G, 4g, and LTE will be doing when (if) the NBN is completed in the next decade!

PS

"Underlining the threat from wireless, the NBN Co had tried to put a clause in its multi-billion-dollar agreement with Telstra that would stop the telco from promoting wireless internet as a substitute for the NBN for two decades."

No threat ??????

[freakiness]

No John, no real threat because our data usage is increasing at a rate the mobile wireless will not keep up for most people.

Mobile devices are purchased by most people as well as fixed line services.

Any threat by mobile devices is the very low usage end of the market. That is a small section of the market. Meanwhile the uptake of 100/40 has double expectations, percentage wise.

Henry Ergas is 100% against if you want another source.

[catsnknots]

You been watching the drama over the last few days over Conroy's lies about the NBN being audited????? 

Busted big time... 

My problem is because he stuff up so much I don't believe what he says anymore... he spins more than a washing machine...