" What is this so called protection against competition that you keep talking about?"
How can you debate a topic such as this when you have no knowledge of the basic history?
Try the Telecommunications Regulatory Reforms (Competition and Consumer Safeguards) Bill 2010
These instruments were made on 23 June 2011 under the enacted bill:-
Under the Act, structural separation is defined to mean that after the designated day, which is 1 July 2018 or another day specified by the minister, Telstra will not supply fixed-line services to retail customers in Australia
Telstra has elected to separate by migrating its customer services to the NBN as that network is progressively rolled out. Most of the copper network will be disconnected and use of its HFC network would be limited to pay TV services only.
"It provided for Optus to be paid around $800m to progressively migrate its HFC customers to the NBN once the network has been rolled out in an area "
Simply put (again) The NBN will not have any fixed Internet competition now that Optus will shut down its (working) HFC network, Telstra will decommision its copper network, and also will only use its HFC network for Foxtel. (there goes your Foxtel argument)
The NBN tried very hard to prevent any mobile wireless networks being used, or even advertised, for data transmissions, but thankfully the ACCC gave that the boot.
The above is the actual protection against competition that I keep talking about!
FN, what speed up/down do you have at the moment, and what speeds do you need?
Speed up/down is hardly a security concern FN, bandwidth either, I have around 12/2 Mbs 100Gb.
FN: "the NBN did not make any attempt to stop the mobile network being used for data. " "did not" ?????
Do you ever research?
"NBN Co signed a definitive agreement with Telstra on 23 June 2011, estimated to be worth A$9 billion post-tax net present value,[89] building upon the signing of a financial heads of agreement a year beforehand.[90] Instead of separating, Telstra agreed to "disconnect"[91] its Internet customers from the copper and hybrid fibre-coaxial networks in areas where FTTP has been installed, and agreed to lease dark fibre, exchange space and ducts to NBN Co. As part of the agreement, Telstra would not be able to market their mobile network as an alternative to the NBN for a number of years.
In fact NBN wanted a 20 year prohibition, 20 years!
The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission today warned a clause in Telstra’s $13 billion contract with NBN Co prohibiting Telstra from marketing wireless technologies as an alternative to fibre broadband could be “detrimental to competition”
Former AAPT chief Paul Broad, who has long been a staunch critic of the NBN policy, reportedly told The Australian yesterday that the wireless clause in Telstra’s contracts seemed anti-competitive."
"Telstra and Optus were not forced to close down the HFC networks nor is there a law against other FTTP networks operating."
Read above e.g. ".....Telstra agreed to "disconnect" its Internet customers from the copper and hybrid fibre-coaxial networks in areas where FTTP has been installed, "disconnect" was an offer that could not be refused.
"Other FTTP networks ", I give up, read the contract /tender process .
Make up your mind FN, earlier you stated: "Rupe has a lot at stake and he does not like competition." (because he owns 50% of Foxtel I presume). Now you state: "FTTP is better for Foxtel but will also allow competition for the first time," The first time? What significant competition FN?
As for the rest of your post, why should I do the research for both of us?
FN: "Telstra agreed. They signed an agreement, They negotiated a good deal. They were not forced. They made the business decision to work with NBN Co before the legislation was debated and passed."
What absolute nonsense, they were "offered a deal they could not refuse" e.g.:-
1. Amendments to the Telecommunications Act in 2010 established a novel regulatory scheme that allowed Telstra to, in effect, choose whether it would structurally separate or else submit to potentially onerous restrictions on its existing and future business activities (including mandatory functional separation and being denied access to certain new spectrum). Consequently, in connection with the commercial agreements it struck with NBN Co and the Australian government, Telstra elected to structurally separate.
2. The Telecommunications Act also includes provisions allowing Telstra voluntarily to divest its HFC cable network and its interest in the FOXTEL pay television network, failing which Telstra could be prevented from participating in certain upcoming spectrum auctions
3. "..... These agreements were authorised under the Telecommunications Act so that they would not breach competition laws, despite containing commitments by Telstra not to compete with the NBN......"
FN: "Telstra and Optus were not forced to close down the HFC networks nor is there a law against other FTTP networks operating." I suggest you read 1., 2., 3.
FN: "nor is there a law against other FTTP networks "
Excerpt from ACCC Draft Decision December 2012, printed Apr2013
The Government has stated that its intention is that the NBN Co will be planned as a monopoly national fixed line network
NBN Co: "The Government notes and agrees with the assumption inherent in the business plan that NBN is to be planned as a monopoly national fixed line network...."
FN: "Agreeing not to market their mobile network as competition to the NBN does ban them from using the network for data. "
True, so why attempt it in the first place, and for 20 years?
Underlining the threat from wireless, the NBN Co had tried to put a clause in its multi-billion-dollar agreement with Telstra that would stop the telco from promoting wireless internet as a substitute for the NBN for two decades.
The NBN Co asked Optus to sign a similar clause that it would not criticise the NBN for 15 years when marketing its own wireless data services in areas where it will migrate hybrid fibre-coaxial cable customers on to the NBN. But the NBN Co was forced to back down on the "anti-sledging" clauses in the deals with Telstra and Optus after pressure from the ACCC.
Even simpler, the NBN is eliminating any and all competition that it can, much of it with government support, legislation, and threats.
I bet a lot of businesses would appreciate being a monopoly, and any possible competition being throttled,
monman12 kudos for your attempts to educate the uneducated with the correct facts on this monolopy thats killed off any compertition to its market. , sadly its falling on deaf ears that dont want to listen or accept the facts.
