On the down side I did get Lysteria from a bottle of milk earlier this year and boy that sure made up for not being sick very often over the last ten years
@martinw-48 wrote: On the down side I did get Lysteria from a bottle of milk earlier this year and boy that sure made up for not being sick very often over the last ten years
Sheese martin, does anything ever go right in your life?
My daughter is also vegitarian and fit and healthy too BUT she takes dietry supplements to counterbalance the loss of nutrients from not eating meat.
You seem to be missing my main point though.
The global population has reached a point where there is barely enough high quality, non urbanised land to actually feed all of the worlds people. If we all became vegitarian or worse still vegan, all of the worlds low rainfall, non arable country which currently farms animals often without chemicals, would no longer be in production. Taking this amount of farmed land and the protien produced from it out of the food system would cause global starvation.
If we then move our worlds farming systems to organics or biodynamics removing chemical fertilisers, pesticides and weedacides from the system, global food production would fall even more dramatically to the point of causing global instability that makes oil wars look like a Sunday School picnic.
I suspect that is the real reason governments are afraid to ban Glyphosate ( Roundup ). It is a very cheap, very effective and relatively safe chemical that has become one of the cornerstones of global crop production. Remove it and food will DEFINATELY increase in price considerably due to increased costs of production and lower yields and the resultant food shortages will further exacerbate the price problem.
We have already seen what happens when governments bow down to uninformed, populist opinion and base policy on appearances instead of rational thought. Australians are already complaining loudly about the dramatic rises in energy prices and falling living standards caused by people demanding we move to a low carbon energy system. You want low carbon energy, costs will rise dramatically...... simple.
The answer to Australia reducing our emmissions is to move our energy systems to low emmissions natural gas which we have more supplies of than any other nation. Its just that we are selling it cheap to the Chinese and putting subsidised, high input, short working life solar panels on peoples roofs to make them feel good and give the appearance of doing something.........Stupid populist policy.
Exactly the same thing WILL happen if we ban Roundup. Our food will permenantly increase in price dramatically, causing another major fall in Australians living standards. And like solar panels instead of gas, it wont actually solve anything. Once roundup is gone, farmers will move to the next cheapest chemical that does the same job......... Gromoxone.............. Roundup may possibly kill a very small number of people slowly through cancer and do a small, measurable amount of damage to the environment. Gramoxone,...........One hundred times as poisonous, three hundred times more dangerous to handle ( I,ve sprayed plenty of both ) and basically downright scary stuff.
Go ahead and ban roundup. It will be great for me as my broadacre farm is already cropped using mainly biodynamic principles and my near city, hills based prime lamb business uses virtually no Roundup up all. I,ll do very nicely out of it thanks as increased commodity prices feed straight into my bottom line without any increase in costs of production.
As for the rest of Australia's population and especially those struggling on low incomes, the rapid food inflation and resulting falling living standards will put low income families under even more financial presure.
My daughter is also vegitarian and fit and healthy too BUT she takes dietry supplements to counterbalance the loss of nutrients from not eating meat.
You seem to be missing my main point though.
Did I? Ummm I dont think so .... prob is you make so many points, which one is your main one?
OK I,ll pay you that one............. so in a nutshell.............
My main point is that the Roundup is a cornerstone of global food production. Ban it and it will be replaced by more dangerous chemicals, food will increase in price dramatically and poor people ( including low income Australians ) will struggle even more as a result of rapid global food inflation and shortages..
Be very carefull what you wish for.................
OK I,ll pay you that one............. so in a nutshell.............
My main point is that the Roundup is a cornerstone of global food production. Ban it and it will be replaced by more dangerous chemicals, food will increase in price dramatically and poor people ( including low income Australians ) will struggle even more as a result of rapid global food inflation and shortages..
Be very carefull what you wish for.................
OK Dont faint lol ....... I totally agree with you on that point ..... I rarely buy F n V as I grow my own so I am able to freeze or preserve it ...... I also realise I am in the minority these days, especially with some many people now living high rise living and on smaller house blocks.
There are far more toxins people need to be concerned out these days, carbon monoxide springs to mine but no one ever seem to jump up and down about that one. Yet, those who live in the larger cities are breathing in heaps of it each day.
Gramoxone ( chemical name Paraquat ) is the next most common and cheapest chemical after Roundup for weed control. This will definately replace Roundup, should Glyphosate become banned. I have sprayed tens of thousands of litres of spray over the years and even built my own boomspray with truck wheels, 2000 lt. tank and 50 foot booms. There was only one chemical I was genuinely scared of and avoided using and that was Paraquat. One drop of chemical on your leather boot and you run the risk of the chemical infusing the leather and leaving a large ulcer on your foot where the drop landed. Get it in your eyes and blindness is highly likely.
In many developing countries Paraquat ingestion is used in over 80% of ALL suicides due to its ready availability and high toxicity. It has been proven to cause Parkinsons Disease and is a truly nasty chemical. Problem is there are not really any other affordable, comparable, multi species, effective herbicides available. Its like a Penacillin in the antibiotic world. When it comes to herbicides, Roundup and Gromoxone is all we have.
OK so we ban Glyphosate ( Roundup ) AND Paraquat ( Gromoxone ) ............Great ......Job Done......... Wealthy Australians will survive even if they have to pay double or triple for their food, but people in developing countries ?????
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OK I,ll pay you that one............. so in a nutshell.............
