Not happy with the NBN?

[davidc4430]

Not happy with the NBN? You're not alone. The number of complaints has jumped 160pc

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-18/nbn-complaints-to-tio-surge-in-last-financial-year/9058336

BUT....

Heres the GOOD NEWS!

The same guy who gave us the BETTER, FASTER AND CHEAPER NBN

Is now fixing our power network......YAY!

[chameleon54]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

Not happy with the NBN? You're not alone. The number of complaints has jumped 160pc

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-18/nbn-complaints-to-tio-surge-in-last-financial-year/9058336

BUT....

Heres the GOOD NEWS!

The same guy who gave us the BETTER, FASTER AND CHEAPER NBN

Is now fixing our power network......YAY!

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I suspect in ten years time we will probably look back on the fibre to premises NBN connection and view it as another GIANT, money wasting, Labor white elephant. This is just another thought bubble from the same mob that brought us pink batts and overpriced school halls.

The speed at which the community and business is switching everything over to mobile phone technology will mean fibre to the premises will be passe before the roll out is completed. Many homes already don't use landlines and the only people who will have them in the future will be hospitals, schools and large business.

The huge amounts of money wasted by Labor on this vote grabbing spendathon would have been much better invested in improving satellite technology in a huge sparsely populated country like ours. The whole thing smacks a lack of foresight and vision to me. A typical example of cynical politicians making the big ribbon cutting announcement in the four year election cycle, rather than what is genuinly best for the countries future.

[davidc4430]

i think in 10 years from now we will be seeing fibre to the node being replaced by fibre to the home/premises.

because in 10 years time 25gbps just will not cut it (as forcast){and thats IF your getting 25gbps}

and that upgrade will cost a fortune to, yup, us.

so you have the NBN and your happy with it, so am i to a point.

what i'm not happy with is malcome promised a Better, Faster & Cheaper NBN.

its none on those things, fail on all 3.

i liked the slogan, build it once build it right.

the original plan was everyone would get 100gbps, with any future increase being controlled by hardwear (your modem) and the telcos seeing a need for that increase. i dont know but i think that kind of speed would have had a life of at least 20 years.

i just hope when we get told the NBN needs more cash to start rolling out fibre to the home you dont complain.

[chameleon54]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

i think in 10 years from now we will be seeing fibre to the node being replaced by fibre to the home/premises.

because in 10 years time 25gbps just will not cut it (as forcast){and thats IF your getting 25gbps}

and that upgrade will cost a fortune to, yup, us.

so you have the NBN and your happy with it, so am i to a point.

what i'm not happy with is malcome promised a Better, Faster & Cheaper NBN.

its none on those things, fail on all 3.

i liked the slogan, build it once build it right.

the original plan was everyone would get 100gbps, with any future increase being controlled by hardwear (your modem) and the telcos seeing a need for that increase. i dont know but i think that kind of speed would have had a life of at least 20 years.

i just hope when we get told the NBN needs more cash to start rolling out fibre to the home you dont complain.

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As mentioned, I suspect the fibre to the home NBN will be obscolete before it is even completed. The whole thing smacks of an episode of Frontline on the ABC.

A ( LABOR ) government wants to make a big announcement before an election. Something that will be a signiture piece and grab peoples attention.......... I know, lets introduce a system which allows everyone to play Game of Thrones faster or watch high defenition porn in the comfort of their own home............

The answer is to put in the latest satellites........... but hey, that all seems too distant and doesnt actually " connect " with the little people................ OK. I've got it....we,ll attach a ruddy great big cable to the side of their house. That should get their attention................. But that will cost twice as much and they cant take it with them as go to work or the cafe............... No but they will notice it though    .......................

But its more expensive !!!......... Yeah great isnt it. ......................We are spending xxxx Gazzilion on the biggest thing ever built !!!!..................But with rapid changes in technology, it will be obsolete before its even finished.................Yeah, but it wont matter. We will be re-elected by then and then we can announce the NEXT BIG THING !!!!!

[davidc4430]

so you think fibre has no future?

so you think satelites and wireless is the way of the future?

i dont agree, not one bit.

have you noticed how unreliable mobile phones are? work one moment then...oh, your gone!

the wireless industry has been with us a very long time and still, its as flakey as it gets. if anything its getting worse.

digital telly? pixilation then no picture for a sometimes a few minutes!

yes when its working its fabo. pity i missed the part of the show where he said who the murderer was!

and btw, have you noticed the cost of satelite anything?

no, a cable of any kind beats wireless hands down!

[chameleon54]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

so you think fibre has no future?

so you think satelites and wireless is the way of the future?

i dont agree, not one bit.

have you noticed how unreliable mobile phones are? work one moment then...oh, your gone!

the wireless industry has been with us a very long time and still, its as flakey as it gets. if anything its getting worse.

digital telly? pixilation then no picture for a sometimes a few minutes!

yes when its working its fabo. pity i missed the part of the show where he said who the murderer was!

and btw, have you noticed the cost of satelite anything?

no, a cable of any kind beats wireless hands down!

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UNLESS YOU ARE ON A BUS !!!!       

[davidc4430]

have you not heard the complaints about Skymuster the NBN satelite service being sold to the farming comunity?

very expensive, very unreliable and you get bugga all download.

i really hope your future of internet via satelite is improved 100 fold because farmers will be relying on it.

in the past farmers had no use for fast reliable internet but thats all changing.

[chameleon54]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

have you not heard the complaints about Skymuster the NBN satelite service being sold to the farming comunity?

very expensive, very unreliable and you get bugga all download.

i really hope your future of internet via satelite is improved 100 fold because farmers will be relying on it.

in the past farmers had no use for fast reliable internet but thats all changing.

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Not sure where you got that from, but its very obsolete information and simply does not reflect the realities of modern Australian farming.. Farmers are highly reliant on the internet and satelite technology and have been for a very long time.

Most of the big harvesters and tractors rely on satelite technology for the auto steer systems. All large scale seeding and crop spraying is now automated with the tractors steering themselves. This allows crops to be sown inter-row with the previous years stubble left standing to provide protection for the emerging seedlings.  GPS is also used for paddock monitoring of crop yields and weed problems. The harvesters can print out a yield map, showing sections of the paddock with high and low yield.

Crops prices fluctuate daily based on international markets and the exchange rate. Individual companies also post prices for contracts at specific delivery centres with prices fluctuating constantly.  Storage bunkers fill and new bunkers are opened regularly and at short notice at different centres. Most grain farmers own their own semi trailers and can deliver grain hundreds of KM,s if needed. These prices and delivery options are all monitored several times a day, usually by mobile phone based internet.  

Livestock are sold weekly by internet auction on the Auction plus website. I believe this is the single biggest livestock auction in Australia today. Wool is also sold via the internet.

These systems are not emerging technologies as you suggest. They are all fully and succesfully established and simply part of modern day farming and have been that way for a decade or more. An NBN cable to the farm house is no use at all to a farmer driving a harvester 16 hours a day or a truckie travelling 150 km. to deliver grain to port or a delivery centre. It also does not help steer the seeding rig around the paddock. Only satelite technology can provide for these needs.

[davidc4430]

did you miss read what i said?

i said in the PAST farmers didnt require fast reliable internet, i know they are relying on it more and more NOW.

until recently farm machinery didnt have internet connected software/computers.

your "very long time" isnt what i'm talking about. heck, satelite connections only been around a very short time.

if your talking mobile phone type conection, as i said, damn unreliable even for talking let alone runing machinery once your in a bad reception area or hit a 'dead' zone. and its allways been expensive.

but its not just that kind of farming that is complaining about the NBN, its the guys in the "outback" who need good internet, for the station business and for the everyday home. ive heard lots of people who live 'out there' saying the kids cant keep up with school work because they use up the tiny allotment of download or the signal just dissapears. they dont get a discount on the very expensive costs tho.

you talk about the future being satelites, well if it is i hope you have deep pockets as satelites do not come cheap and guess who will pay for them?

btw, have you heard of the problem about to hit the satelite business

SPACE JUNK

you rekon we'd have learned after filling our rivers and oceans with junk.

well now they say space is just as bad, only time before a satelite or even the space station gets hit by a tiny piece of junk traveling at a million kph and becomes a falling star.

i'm not making it up, even NASA is worried.

[davidc4430]

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/news/orbital_debris.html

[davidc4430]

Politics live: Malcolm Turnbull admits the 'big mistake' behind the NBN's 'calamitous train wreck'

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-23/politics-live-october-23/9075386

So NOW malcom says, oh, we inherited a "train wreck"

so all his "better faster cheaper" talk was what? a load of cobblers of course.

lets face it when the Liberals won power the Labor NBN had hardly got started. so changing THE PLAN was pretty easy.

but right from the start, experts in the field said any plan that relied on copper in its delivery would never work.

advice malcom ignored.

now here we are supposedy 90% completed and we discover...hey, copper cant deliver speeds promised.

had malcome not beed such an expert himself maybe he would have listened to the real experts and delivered fibre to the curb so the only copper would be a short distance from curb into the home. which could be changed to fiber into the home later.

the promise was 25mbps if you were on fibre to the node, they never highlighted you needed to live about 1km or less from your node to get that.

then in the rush to hook homes up to the NBN they hooked up thousands of homes well over 1km from their node. my home is about 1.5km. homes further down my street must be closer to 2km. i know where my node is and theres only 1 way for the cable to run.

what really bugs me is they laid a fibre cable past my home, literally 2 mtres from my from wall, yet my NBN come 1.5km on copper wire! great plan malcom.

no, its not Labors fault, its totally malcoms baby.