@4channel wrote:
QUOTE: * Black lives matter more than white lives or that a person has to be treated with preference because he is black (or white, or anything else) Racist"
Black lives matter no because the issue at hand, the current one is that African Americans are being killed by police in murderous fashions. It's almost surreal. Shame .... shame ... shame ... shame ... shame ... shame .... on America, the biggest example of hypocrisy. It is not the shining beacon of liberty and democracy and freedom. And the lamp never went out. It was never lit ! Until America can properly address and take responsibility and correct the history books about the atrocities inflicted on the Native Americans which have a flow on effect to this very day, also the real reason why there is a disparty between African Americans and others, it will never have cred!
And I also believe the Black Lives Matter movement has been hijacked. There is a certain narrative now which is there to cause division. So I partially agree with springyzone. And who is behind this? Well we can speculate!
Firstly, African Americans and native Americans are 2 entirely different groups in my eyes and I would not call native Americans black by any stretch.
I do believe the USA, on the whole, does value liberty, democracy and freedom, or as much as any other nation on this earth. That is not to say it is perfect there for everyone. No place ever is.
Unfortunately, the problem in US is they brought black Africans in as slaves. Realistically, if you are of a mind set where you accept people as slaves, then you would logically think of them as a long way below you socially. And they would be. The slaves wouldn't have money, property or many rights. They could be treated badly with impunity.
That sort of mind set doesn't change overnight and it hasn't, but what it morphed into is that even with freedom, the blacks in US started off in a bad position, without assets. It usually takes something like 15 generations on average for a family line to move dramatically on the social scale (either up or down). I think what has happened is a lot of blacks there are in generational poverty and what that brings about is a different attitude to violence. You'll find more people in generational poverty are in the criminal system. It isn't just about prejudice, they are more inclined to commit violent crime and less likely to have the funds for top legal help when they are caught.
So it's not a straight forward correlation between police brutality and blacks. I agree that in the US criminal system, blacks have had a bad run till relatively recent times and police recruitment & procedures in US need an overhaul.
But when you look at eg the George Floyd arrest, that was a mixed race group of officers. The arrest was not for racial motives. George Floyd was a career thug and criminal, his death isn't a serious loss to society though he didn't deserve to die as he did.
I believe the blacks in US also need to take some ownership & responsibility for their part in the crime rate, it won't help if some of them (or any of us) keep making excuses.
If a police officer shoots or kills anyone, it should not be a matter of reacting according to the race of the victim. It should come down to circumstance & whether it was a justified action or not. If not, the officer should face the consequences. It's important for people (even police officers) to have a fair trial though.
At the moment what I see in US is any time a black is killed, there is immediate outrage. Sometimes it turns out to be justified, but sometimes it is not.
The BLM movement has been hijacked in part by some thugs who just want to cause social mayhem, burn down buildings etc.
That won't help, it deflects from the real issues-better police recruitment & training.
