Old Testament vs New Testament

I have been told numerous times on here that Christians believe in the New Testament and the Old Testament is not irrelevent.

 

In particular I was told that the Old Testament is Pre-Christian and describes a DIFFERENT God with different attitudes. And that the New Testament is a stand-alone book so I assume.

 

Can someone please explain why?

(preferably someone who is religious and has actually read the books)

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Hi Katy

 

But wouldn't it be common sense to protect yourself if your life were threatened?

 

If your child was hungry (I don't mean a kid is hungry right now, just because he hasn't eaten for a few hours, I mean a child who may not have eaten for a few days or longer or doesn't have nutritious food available) wouldn't it be common sense to steal some food? (I am not talking about stealing for the sake of stealing, or to get a non necessity that is simply a want)

 

I do think that self preservation and survival are common sense as opposed to legally permissable or socially acceptable.

 

I can't think of when it would be common sense to bear false witness - maybe if I was being tortured? Is that common sense or survival instinct? (I don't know)

 

I agree that the stealing scenario you presented is a problem hence why I understand it is wrong, but we are talking common sense and how differing environments may influence common sense.

 

No, I haven't read any of John Paul Satre's work.

 

I do agree with the personal responsibility - I do. But it seems that some people for many reasons struggle to get ahead, even in Australia where theoretically, we are a pretty priveledged society. (if they are the right woirds, but I hope you understand what I am trying to say). We do have welfare which suggests that society agrees that not everyone is capable of personal responsibility all of the time.

 

I think the Bible even talks about "an eye for an eye"?

 

This then brings us to the whole Death Penalty scenario. Does that send a message to society that killing is ok?

 

BUT - your line  "So, if YOU killed someone, or robbed someone, it was sending a message to others that it was acceptable. " 100% agree - and I think this is how we become desensitised to things that in the past were abhorrent and socially unacceptable. (Did I just come full circle? I think you said something like that earlier)

 

The Ten Commandments

 

As I said before, I think that the first four are religion based rather than the whole of society. BUT - I think of how we got the Ten Commandments (according to the Bible) (I'm not convinced that when the Bible was written in 400AD that a group of societies leaders didn't sit around and decide that they needed some rules and laws and in order to give those laws/rules authority, stated they were handed down by God.)

 

BUT - in context - those commandments were given to Noah by "our heavenly Father" so a parent figure? (in the context of back then). I can see how those Commandments would apply to my parents, regardless of what my religious beliefs.

 

As for the rest, and probably even those above, at the moment  I think that every Commandment has validity, depending on environment and circumstance.

 

The law does too. A sadistic killer out for kicks on a friday night is given a harsher sentence than one who killed in self defence. And many other circumstances receive lighter sentences than those who killed because "it sounded like fun" (usually, I think).

 

Whether I kill in the name of euthenasia, capital Punishment, in war, in self defence etc or just cos I was an evil **bleep** - I still killed someone, yet society and the law make allowances or treat each occurrance differently.

 

Only some lies (bearing false witness) are criminally penalized. (I can dob my brother in for taking the last biscuit when it was me and not go to jail, but if I lie in Court or somewhere official, I would probably be penalised in some manner.

 

 

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"I'm not convinced that when the Bible was written in 400AD".

 

Oh! That's when it was written. I often wondered. So, the fact that Jesus referred to the scrolls of Moses and read them in the Temple is rubbish because they hadn't been written yet?

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Hi Muppet,

 

We're talking on a number of levels here ... philosophy, religion, law ... and common sense.  

 

So, religion and law both say that killing and stealing are wrong.  And, so does common sense.  

 

And, all (generally) make allowances for the reasons the actions were done.  

 

If someone is on trial for murder, for example, self-defence, if proven, will get that person acquitted.  If that person confesses what they have done to a priest, the priest (I'm talking Catholic here), can absolve them of their actions/sins.  

 

Somewhere else I started a thread asking if it was ok for someone to steal for the purposes of feeding their starving children.  Nearly 100% of the people who replied said yes.  So, I think stealing for survival is socially acceptable, and that if someone was charged with that stealing, the judge/jury would take the reasons into account.  

 

By "personal responsibility", I meant more that you OWN the act.  I'll post more on that if you like, later.  Bit early in the morning for  Sartre.  

 

Going back to the Commandments, I think most of them have an element of social control.  In some ways, they are supporting the law (eg. stealing and killing), and they are also adding a religious element to such acts (sins as well as crimes).  So, yes, it may be no accident that some commandments run parallel to laws made by society ... but on the other hand, it may be that God decided what was good and evil in the first place.  

 

What I do find amazing, given that both Testaments were written such a long time ago, is that they do both still have relevance today.  

 

 

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Just wondering where you gain your info re The Bible from?  Do you have a Theology Degree?

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Is it necessary to have  a degree to discuss the Bible?

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Did I say it was????? lol lol  

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@bushies.girl wrote:

Just wondering where you gain your info re The Bible from?  Do you have a Theology Degree?


Hello.

 

Was this question for me?

 

If so, I have no qualifications.

 

I read it and then reread it with supporting texts and went to a Bible Study Group (Just a bunch of people who got together over coffee once a week to study, discuss and reflect on what the Bible says) for a few years.

 

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It wasn't really aimed at anyone, was just interested in wat angel people were coming from in their discussion/s ..... Of course you don't need a degree to discuss the bible, or for anything these days, we have GOOGLE lol

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@bushies.girl wrote:

It wasn't really aimed at anyone, was just interested in wat angel people were coming from in their discussion/s ..... Of course you don't need a degree to discuss the bible, or for anything these days, we have GOOGLE lol


Google doesn't explain everything you want to know; it spams you with a with a mass of conflicting information which you need to read and evaluate - and while you don't need a University degree to do this you do need a modicum of intelligence of commonsense - not to mention a good dollop of scepticism.

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A good sense of humour helps as well 🙂
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