PHONE TAPPING

[newstart2380]

Should Tony Abbott apologise for the Labor parties phone tapping when Rudd was PM ?

Or should KRudd stand up and apologise for what happened under his leadership ?

Aparently most countries participate in phone tapping and if the Indonesian government is upset and want to take it furtther then withdraw tthe aid Australa gives Indonesia and encourage people to stop holidaying there, that would give them something to think about. Typical bluff tactics from the Indonesians. I am not condoning the practise but they are getting a bit to precious over the whole thing.

[the_hawk*]

Not sure why any country or person would be shocked.

Its been happening for a very long time.

[polksaladallie]

Since Adam was a boy.

[lakeland27]

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@newstart2380 wrote:

Should Tony Abbott apologise for the Labor parties phone tapping when Rudd was PM ?

Or should KRudd stand up and apologise for what happened under his leadership ?

Aparently most countries participate in phone tapping and if the Indonesian government is upset and want to take it furtther then withdraw tthe aid Australa gives Indonesia and encourage people to stop holidaying there, that would give them something to think about. Typical bluff tactics from the Indonesians. I am not condoning the practise but they are getting a bit to precious over the whole thing.

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 a political party didn't hack anything. a joint aust-us security agency exercise did.

[newstart2380]

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@lakeland27 wrote:

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@newstart2380 wrote:

Should Tony Abbott apologise for the Labor parties phone tapping when Rudd was PM ?

Or should KRudd stand up and apologise for what happened under his leadership ?

Aparently most countries participate in phone tapping and if the Indonesian government is upset and want to take it furtther then withdraw tthe aid Australa gives Indonesia and encourage people to stop holidaying there, that would give them something to think about. Typical bluff tactics from the Indonesians. I am not condoning the practise but they are getting a bit to precious over the whole thing.

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 a political party didn't hack anything. a joint aust-us security agency exercise did.

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Apparently it was introduced when Rudd was PM in 2006 if one believes the press reports (I know you don't) If this is the case then he should step forward but I bet he won't.

[*crikey*mate*]

Yes, I think Mr Abbott should be held accountable for tapping anyone's phones. Did he do so legally? What were his reasons? Off the cuff, without knowing details, that just seems really wrong.

Did he suspect treason or something? It sounds a bit off.

What happened under Mr Rudd's leadewrship? Was that illegal etc?

Just because "most countries do it" it doesn't make it right. Although there may be some international laws relating to terrorism which allow for surveilance. I don't know. But If it is legal and the intent was pure, I have no problem with that.

If what we did was illegal and unwarranted, then I don't blame Indonesia for being cross.

And if Australia withdrew support because another country objected to us doing something illegal, I would be very cross and ashamed.

Actually, I would be cross any way as hopefully, we don't extend assistance as a way to bribe or control, hopefully we do it because we can and we care about the people.

I will never support bribery and the threat of withdrawing assistance - charity is not meant to be given with conditions. if our money was not reaching the people and being used for nefarious resons, then I have no problem with stopping the donations then, but to discourage tourism etc - that also helps the people at the source etc etc yada

They are two separate issues and need to be handled separately.

[lakeland27]

the incident in question happened in august, the marriot hotel in jakarta and another were bombed in july and i think 2 australian citizens killed. imagine if they didn't follow all possible sources of information up. abbott is not folowing the rather stupid 'rudd did' it line (for once) as the opposition leader was probably briefed as is the practice.

[tezza2844]

I think you'll find Rudd was elected PM in 2007. John Howard was PM in 2006

[*crikey*mate*]

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@lakeland27 wrote:

the incident in question happened in august, the marriot hotel in jakarta and another were bombed in july and i think 2 australian citizens killed. imagine if they didn't follow all possible sources of information up. abbott is not folowing the rather stupid 'rudd did' it line (for once) as the opposition leader was probably briefed as is the practice.

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could you expand on this and fuill in the blanks for me please? I know about the bombings in Jakarta marriott, but not the political connections etc.

(is this the one where a car drove into the Marriott's driveway and blew up?)

[*crikey*mate*]

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@my*mum wrote:

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@lakeland27 wrote:

the incident in question happened in august, the marriot hotel in jakarta and another were bombed in july and i think 2 australian citizens killed. imagine if they didn't follow all possible sources of information up. abbott is not folowing the rather stupid 'rudd did' it line (for once) as the opposition leader was probably briefed as is the practice.

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could you expand on this and fuill in the blanks for me please? I know about the bombings in Jakarta marriott, but not the political connections etc.

(is this the one where a car drove into the Marriott's driveway and blew up?)

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it's ok, I just asked, it's not the driveway one. The jakarta one happened in july 2009. but could you please expand on your post so I can understand please?