PM & Treasurer don't understand their own policy - $7 medical services fee

Uh oh, embarrasing. Interesting about the fee applying to chronic illnesses as well. I doubted something posted here the other day about that (said quote below from Mr Hockey)

 

 

Who pays the $7 GP fee - the Prime Minister and the Treasurer don’t understand their own policy

 

EMBARRASING bloopers by Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Treasurer Joe Hockey have revealed they don’t understand who will be forced to pay their controversial new $7 GP fee.

 

And their mistakes have undermined the government’s attempt to sell a tough budget to angry voters.

 

Prime Minister Tony Abbott told Melbourne radio listeners yesterday an average person would only have to pay the $7 GP fee ten times and then they would be bulk billed.

 

In fact the government has put no limit on the number of times an ordinary worker will pay the $7 charge, however, there is a ten visit safety net just for pensioners and children.

 

Radio 3AW host Neil Mitchell asked the Prime Minister yesterday: “If I am the average person going along to the doctor what is the safety net on the $7 co-payment?”

 

The Prime Minister replied :”Well, it is 10 visits and then the standard bulk-billing arrangements will apply.”

 

Mr Abbott’s office ammended his statement late yesterday. “The safety net of ten visits applies to concession card holders and people aged under 16”, it said.

 

The Australian Medical Association accused Treasurer Joe Hockey of also getting it wrong when he says the chronically ill won’t be hit by the $7 GP fee.

 

The Treasurer told Korey Gunnis who suffers from eight chronic illnesses on Monday: “You wouldn’t be hit by the so-called Medicare co-payment. You wouldn’t be affected.”

 

Mr Hockey, on the ABC’s Q&A program, went on to say: “No, you wouldn’t, because you’d be on a care plan with your doctor. Obviously you’ve got a number of chronic diseases. In that situation you are not affected by the co-payment,”

 

While it is true that Medicare’s chronic disease management item will be exempt from the $7 GP fee, this is only for one doctors visit a year where the GP plans the patients care for their chronic illnesses.

 

Australian Medical Association GP spokesman Dr Brian Morton says every other visit the patient with a chronic illness makes to the GP or medical test that is ordered would be hit by a $7 GP fee.

 

“He either doesn’t understand or is misusing the statistic or is lying,” Dr Morton told News Corporation.

 

“The chronic disease management items are one off, they are not for treatment,” he said.

 

A diabetic patient would have to see their GP every three months and pay the $7 fee and regular tests of their blood sugar levels and kidney function would also attract a $7 charge, Dr Morton said.

 

A spokeswoman for Mr Hockey said yesterday “his comments stand”.

 

When asked whether the government would be introducing new chronic disease treatment items exempt from the $7 charge she said “the legislation was still being drafted…I can’t give any detail”.

 

The budget makes no provision for such a chronic disease item nor does it provide any funding for it.

 

In further confusing signals from the government, Liberal National Party backbencher Steve Ciobo also told ABC radio listeners ‘if they have a chronic disease they are exempt from making the co-payment”.

 

A spokesman for Health Minister Peter Dutton conceded the chronically ill could face the $7 GP fee.

“They could, it’s up to the doctor,” he said.

 

And he confirmed the exemption for chronic disease applied only to the preparation of a GP management plan or the preparation of a team care arrangement.

Opposition health spokeswoman Catherine King described Mr Ciobo’s and Mr Hockey’s claims on the copayment and chronic illness as a “lie”.

 

“This is a blatant lie. If you have a chronic disease you are not exempt from the this cruel GP tax,” Shadow Minister for Health Catherine King said.

 

The Australian Medical Association says it will be asking Health Minister Mr Peter Dutton to modify the $7 GP fee when it meets him on Friday at its annual conference.

 

AMA president Dr Steve Hambleton said the government needed to look at extending the 10 visit safety net to low income people with a chronic illness, and end of life care.

 

Vaccinations should not attract the $7 fee, he said.

 

 
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Maybe it is not "sick season" yet.  Wait until winter comes.

 

DEB

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""Doctors are not investigators and are not social workers. I wouldn't differentiate between my patients - I either charge them all or not charge them all," he said.

"I think it's up to government to tell people whether they should pay or not."
Dr Bittar

Yes, people will pay $5 more in their gap payment for a Dr's visit at a non bulk billing medical centre.
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Texting patients ????  My car maintenance bloke texts me when he thinks my car needs a service.  Mechanic is trying to keep his business "alive".

 

DEB

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People have heard the new charge is being brought in but didn't notice it doesn't take affect until July 2015.. So they are already (mistakenly) cutting back on their Dr visits.

Bulk bill clinics they are referring to i assume, as they are to charge the $7. Normally $0.
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My doctor/s text to remind me/confirm of appointments and if they are running late and want me to come later..

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@grandmoon wrote:

What hasn't had been reported much is that if your Doctor doesn't bulk bill you when you claim back from Medicare you will be getting $5 less.  

 

This will be a much better money raiser the the $7 co payment.


thanks grandmoon, i was wondering about that as our own doctor doesn't bulk bill anymore

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Genuine question here.  Why do former bulk billing doctors return to payment upfront?  

 

Is it because they are not being recompensed quickly by a government dept?

 

.....or is it becoming a cash-in-hand scenario thereby avoiding some taxation issues?

 

thinking further.....have they been overcharging services in the past and the govt is cracking down on them in this process as well?

 

DEB

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The clinic the my doctor works at only bulk bill those on pensions or have a concession card and children up to age 16yrs.

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I wish I knew the answer Deb, ours suddenly stopped bulk billing some years ago. Now it's a payment of $65.00 (I think) upfront and then you get a refund of thirty something back into your bank account a few days later

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Bulk billing doctors only charge what the Govt pays as a rebate. They aren't overcharging.

They may find it not worth it financially (rising exoenses etc) to continue to bulk bill every patient free.

Our local medical centre is owned by the Dr's that work there. They do not bulk bill.

The bulk bill clinics (free) around my location are huge ( owned by Corporations) have a lot of Drs on duty at one time, they get through a massive amount of patients everyday. They are open 8am to 10pm. 7 days a week

We have a bulk bill clinic about to open in our town. It is will be a lot smaller than the others.
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