on 22-07-2013 09:16 AM
Kevin Rudd makes a big claim about his deal with PNG:
From now on, any asylum seeker who arrives in Australia by boat will have no chance of being settled in Australia as refugees. Asylum seekers taken to Christmas Island will be sent to Manus and elsewhere in Papua New Guinea for assessment of their refugee status.
But the published agreement does not guarantee at all what Rudd claims.
The deal is for just 12 months:
The deal does not oblige PNG to take all boat people sent from Australia. It makes such people only “liable” to being sent:
The intention here though, is that we will now bring the quality of those places back up to standard for the processing centre. So that, where at the moment, we will not be transferring women and children immediately across to Manus Island...
PNG’s Prime Minister does not commit himself to taking unlimited numbers any time soon:
We will take as much as we can on the capacities that we have on the ground… You can’t just simply estimate a number.
PNG even suggests there will be a “cap” on the number of people it will take:
PNG Foreign Minister Rimbink Pato told The Australian the arrangement was open-ended but he also signalled the potential to put “brakes” on its scope over time. “We are not putting any cap on any numbers at this stage because it is too early and we want to work through jointly to establish at what point in time what brakes Australia will put on and what brakes PNG will put on,” Mr Pato said.
The deal does not oblige PNG to resettle any boat people found not to be refugees:
LABOR is racing to close a gap in its new border protection regime as Papua New Guinea ... says that it will not resettle asylum-seekers who are refused refugee status…
PNG made it clear over the weekend that it was willing to resettle asylum-seekers who were given refugee status but would not do so for those who fail that test, keeping them in detention if no other countries agreed to accept them… Immigration Minister Tony Burke last night told The Australian that the provision did not mean people who failed to gain asylum on Manus Island would be sent back to detention centres in Australia.
Michael Smith notes that the deal is actually an “arrangement”, and not an agreement or a treaty:
To quote our DFAT publication, an Arrangement is used where ”the parties do not intend to create, of their own force, legal rights or obligations, or a legal rel.... Such instruments, whether in the name of the government or agencies, are termed “arrangements of less than treaty status’’.
The High Court might be interested in this aspect when judging whether Australia has indeed fulfilled its responsibility towards asylum seekers who have applied for our protection.
UPDATE
Further, the deal seems to offer life-time support from Australia for any refugees resettled in PNG under this arrangement, which could prove attractive:
Here is how Kevin Rudd described that last obligation:
...the Australian Government, in support of the PNG Government, will provide comprehensive settlement services to ensure that these refugees can live safely and with security and in time, prosperity, within PNG.
on 22-07-2013 10:58 PM
@azureline** wrote:That pic above, of 2 happy smiling children living in squalor..... let's hope the PNG Gov. sees that the whole world is looking and fixes their issues, giving the families a better place to live.
That could be why they agreed to this proposal.
I'm not a fan of it but we will be providing educational and health resources to PNG in return.
on 23-07-2013 07:05 AM
@azureline** wrote:That pic above, of 2 happy smiling children living in squalor..... let's hope the PNG Gov. sees that the whole world is looking and fixes their issues, giving the families a better place to live.
I don't agree that they are living in squalor. They are healthy, have good clothes, and if the buildings behind them are where they live, that is not squalor. They have four walls and are off the ground. I have seen people who live in squalor, in Karachi, and those people would be in luxury if they could have the accommodation in the photo.
But apart from their surroundings, those children are happy and presumbly loved, the most essential ingredients in childhood. There are children in this country in Mcmansions or even good houses who are not happy or loved.
on 23-07-2013 08:47 AM
The government is yet to release the cost of the PNG plan - but just expanding existing Manus Island facilities to run a processing centre for 3000 asylum seekers is expected to cost up to $1.1 billion in its first year of operations.
That is before the cost of resettlement, which could cost up to $15,000 per person, and the expensive promise to help the third world country rebuild health facilities and to fund a new university system.
The costs, drawn from the Immigration Department's own contract estimates of operating processing centres, suggest the expansion of Manus Island from 600 detainees to 3000 would incur an initial cost of $600 million.
Operational costs of managing a centre of that size could be as high as $480 million a year, according to recent departmental contracts for running offshore processing centres.
Immigration Minister Tony Burke yesterday said the cost would be less because temporary facilities such as tents would be used.
PNG Prime Minister Peter O'Neill appeared to contradict Mr Burke, claiming he would demand a permanent facility.
on 23-07-2013 09:37 AM
Number of places currently at the Manus Island detention centre at PNG:
Number already filled:
Boat people who’ve arrived since the deal was announced:
Four boats carrying more than 250 people have arrived since Friday
but only single adult men can be sent to PNG immediately with families to remain in Australia until facilities are ready, which could take until next year.
With 100 free places left on Manus Island, how long before we have more boat people than places to send them?
PEOPLE smugglers are testing Kevin Rudd’s new PNG Solution with up to ten boats on their way amid revelations the cost of the first year operation of an expanded Manus Island camp could exceed $1 billion.
How fast can Manus be expanded to take in another 2400 people?
Yesterday Immigration Minister Tony Burke said ... temporary facilities such as tents would be used. However, PNG Prime Minister Peter O’Neill appeared to contradict Mr Burke claiming he would demand a permanent facility.
on 23-07-2013 09:59 AM
Aug 31st & then we will see the lies coming thick & fast from Rudd because so far he's been exposed as a liar at every turn. He needs to be boned.
on 23-07-2013 10:15 AM
Will PNG take Muslim boat people and Gay boat people?
Will PNG will actually take our Muslim boat people?:
Last Friday, Hela province governor, Anderson Agiru, moved a motion to carry out a nationwide consultation on the question of religious freedom and whether to ban non Christian reli...The motion was passed with the unanimous support of both sides of the House.
Will PNG take gay boat people?
Papua New Guinea criminalises homosexuality with imprisonment for up to 14 years. Where will this leave refugees persecuted for their identity?
on 23-07-2013 10:55 AM
See the ABC come out & worry about PNG being a christian country & they worry about muslims going there.
Hello....our country is christian too & I never heard anything from the ABC about the 1000's of muslims flocking to our christian country.
Every day the ABC prove to millions of Australians that it should be sold off, let them try to make it in a commercial world.
on 23-07-2013 05:37 PM
Nero
Are you worried that the PNG deal might just work?
Are you suddenly concerned about the welfare of these people that get on boats?
I only ask because you have started a number of threads about Labors failure to deal with the situation (copy and pastes) and they read differently from this copy and paste.
It would be good do see some objectivity from you
on 23-07-2013 05:45 PM
@azureline** wrote:That pic above, of 2 happy smiling children living in squalor..... let's hope the PNG Gov. sees that the whole world is looking and fixes their issues, giving the families a better place to live.
That picture would be a set up for the purpose of ridicule, that picture is taken at the rubish dump.
on 23-07-2013 05:49 PM
You only need look at the clothing the children have on, they are clean and well cared for, they arn't dirty or neglected like that set up picture is trying to portray.